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"Less suffering is preferable to more suffering" indicates a functioning moral compass

Yes that's the point. Both choices lead to the same place the only difference is how fast we get there.

~the person who replied to this comment one hour before you did

I'm aware of this. Trump's are worse.

I guess that's the fundamental moral disconnect I'm running into. To me, it's unthinkable to shut down my moral faculties at any point. 1,000,001 senseless deaths is objectively worse than 1,000,000 senseless deaths.

Onion rings > tots > sweet potato > everything else

And fuck ketchup, combine one part mayonnaise and one part BBQ sauce to dip that shit in

Trump immigration policy is just Biden's turned up a notch, but with a lot of performative cruelty thrown in

So what you're saying is it's not just Biden's turned up a notch, he's doing it differently and much, much worse. The idea that, because both of them are immigration policies that include deportation, they must be the same thing is infantile

One of them is in favor of deporting all of the Latinos, but really it's the same policy lmao

Both parties are equally bad, that's why we're letting 65 million Latinos get deported instead of not letting 65 million Latinos get deported. Less genocide is actually just as bad as more genocide

If you think that what Trump is doing is the same thing as what would have happened if Harris won, then you're delusional. I literally can't communicate with you. You're incapable of thinking past the two words "genocide bad." You can't even get as far as "more genocide worse." It's three words, it's too much for you

I get the feeling I'm about to get a reply proving that last sentence right

Disagree. It doesn't matter how fast you're driving off the cliff, everyone in the bus dies. The choices were more like "drive the bus into a building" and "drive the bus into a building and and explode." The time to demand a "don't crash" option was long before November 5th last year. As of November 5th, your choices were "explode" or "don't explode"

The idea that both parties are equally bad misses the part where one of them explodes.

I mean if we want a better analogy, Harris represented the "crash the bus into a building" party, and Trump represented the "crash the bus into a building and explode" party. 3 people are voting for building, 4 people are voting for building and explode, and 4 people are saying "I don't care whether we explode."

One of those 4 thinks they're making some kind of statement by saying "I don't want to crash at all, so I won't be voting." He is indistinguishable from the 3 that just don't care

I could, because our rights are not bulletproof. That said, it's not a given that I will go to jail for being against genocide

That's assuming that the Republicans will actually go full authoritarian dictatorship which isn't necessarily going to happen.

Wtf? They already have. They've ballooned ICE's budget to more than that of the marines. They want to deport 65 million latinos. That's all the Latinos. They've already gone full authoritarian dictatorship while you were watching

Yes and now we're driving off a fucking cliff and there won't be any chances to elect a progressive candidate

And those four are functionally equivalent to people who didn't vote because they're okay with either option

But if we vote for the non-vegan ice cream place, we're telling the leadership that we're okay with non-vegan options and no progress will ever be made!

/s for the illiterate

Yes and I support that particular organization and the actions they perform. From what it sounds like reading the article, this very comment makes me a criminal in the UK

God bless the first amendment 🦅🇺🇲

There are few things I like about being an American, but one of them is the first amendment. It doesn't always work, and Trump is sure to try some shit like this soon, but at least I know for now I won't go to prison for saying that I do indeed support Palestine Action

The Democratic party could and should have done better, but that does not excuse the millions of nonvoters who saw a choice between "some people die" and "exponentially more people die" and decided to effectively flip a coin on it. You are a worse person if you flipped that coin than if you'd just decided to vote for the lower death count.

Not worse than the people perpetrating that genocide, of course. Politicians need to be honest about the Israel Palestine conflict, and influence public opinion away from supporting the genocide. All I'm saying is that that is not an excuse for allowing another genocide against the Latino population in America to happen. Not to mention whoever they'll go after when they're done with that.

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There's nothing a candidate could do, no behavior so monstrous, no atrocities so grand that would ever make you not vote for the lesser of two evils.

Yeah that's basic moral judgement. You realize that the alternative to the lesser evil is the greater evil, yeah? For as grand and magnificent as the atrocities you're talking about are, the existence of a greater evil implies even grander and more magnificent atrocities. Given a choice between "grand and magnificent atrocities," and "grander and more magnificent atrocities," which would you choose?

Is it worth allowing the grander and more magnificent atrocities to happen just to fool yourself into thinking you had no part in it?