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  • This isn’t a well-controlled comparison.

    It is. If you're going to virtualize a board game, there's no need to stick to the limitation of a physical board game. So, once you make full use of the virtual environment, you get a video game. If you compare to just virtualized board games, then you're artificially disadvantaging the virtual side.

    PS. I also added this significant edit to my last post (bad form for discussion, but it makes more sense there than here)

    I think the point of the article is to show that the CEOs empty words are empty

    Maybe. To me it read more like: "According to Zoom's CEO, Zoom can't fully replace in-person interaction for work. Therefore, it's bad/useless software - or the CEO is bullshitting." Which is just bad reasoning. The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises. Maybe I'm just taking it too literally, but I just don't like when articles use such bad reasoning, even if I agree with their conclusion.

  • I think the point of the article is to show that the CEOs empty words are empty

    Maybe. To me it read more like: "According to Zoom's CEO, Zoom can't fully replace in-person interaction for work. Therefore, it's bad/useless software - or the CEO is bullshitting." Which is just bad reasoning. The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises. Maybe I'm just taking it too literally, but I just don't like when articles use such bad reasoning, even if I agree with their conclusion.

    fail to account for spaces critical to trust-building such as water-cooler talk and outside of work events

    What do you mean by that? If you are fully virtual there's going to be no water cooler talk - but that's a legitimate difference between in-person and virtual that should affect the results of the study. So it makes sense to me that the study shouldn't try to control for that.

    and fail to replicate virtual versions of predominantly in-person activities

    I don't think you can. Take for example board games as an in-person activity. The virtual replacement would be video games. A video game can do everything a board game can (with some exceptions) - but it can do so much more. So, purely from a game design perspective, video games would be much better. The main thing that video games don't have, while board games do, is the in-person interaction. Yet, there's plenty of people who play board games, but not video games. Clearly the in-person part is important.

  • The irony of the situation still seems distant to the CEO. According to the leaked meeting on August 3, Yuan told employees that Zoom the product does not allow Zoom the company to "build as much trust or be as innovative as in the office."

    Of course it doesn't. It allows people to communicate remotely. But it's not a 100% substitute for meeting people in person, and pretending otherwise would be stupid. Of course meeting in person builds more trust than video-chats. And discussions on a real whiteboard can be much more productive than on a video call, depending on the topic.

    So why does it even exist

    Why does the telephone exist? Zoom exists for the same reason. To let people talk remotely. It has some extra features a telephone doesn't, but that's it. It's not supposed replace meeting other people.


    Now,

    • I totally think that in Zoom's case, there's no real reason to bring employees to the office, and this is just a corporate power play.
    • I also think there's no point for Zoom to exist when there are great open source alternatives.

    But the particular argument this article lays out just makes no sense.

  • Well, you said "America", so... In the north, will be the province of Canada, ruled by Justin Trudeau. South of that, a lawless land under the grip of a certain Donald. Then the province of Mexico, under Claudia Padro. And, finally, Central American Region under the leadership of Miguel Díaz-Canel.

  • Honestly, if you're new to linux, the best way to recover from borked GRUB is to reinstall linux. You can boot from a live CD, mount positions, chroot, and fix it, but I found that more difficult than reinstall until I had a bunch of experience.

  • That's the way. However, I'd like to add that when I used Debian, I regularly got leftovers after uninstalling things, especially when removing big things work lots of dependencies. So expect some dependencies to remain.

  • There's can, and should, be exceptions - but lemm.ee has a federation policy where the standard for defederation is "directly harming lemm.ee users" and I think that should be the standard, as opposed to "users dislike the content, and there's a lot of it". (Hexbear is a big instance, there will be a lot of content.)

  • as a lemmy.world user, I can’t tell you all enough about how much our quality of life has improved since we defederated form hexbear.net

    That makes no sense, because lemmy.world was never federated with hexbear. They defederated preemptively, before hexbear started doing any federation.