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Woa, never met anyone who actually took Christianity that literal. That must be a wild experience to believe in literal devil and god, sin and all that stuff - that's a trip and a half. Kind of speechless - that's just wild.

Wait dude, I just realized - do you also believe in the literal Satan?

Sure, you can add your response to Mohamed and why do you think that a perspective denying individual influence on human history is useful over there.

But every time writing was invented it had to be invented by a specific dude or a small group of dudes. It did not just come to be out of thin air, someone had to invent it and someone had to popularize it. And so with enlightenment - someone (maybe we don't even know her name) has to come up with an idea and others, whose names we know have to popularize it.

I get that you are saying that it might have been another person (or small group), sure - but in the end it has to be someone.

I gave you a good example in another reply. But we can also go deeper - Mohamed, with his freestyle jam on bible, to this day has rather big influence on society. It's a rather strange and honestly depressing perspective to deny individuals any role in history.

What do you mean? It's always a specific person or a specific small group that comes up with ideas that are later popularized. Like you can pinpoint evolution theory to a small group of biologists with Darwin and Huxley at their forefront.

Dude it's a fun question from the sorts of who is stronger Superman or Goku. But even outside of that - it's hard to deny that some individuals had more impact on the course of our society than others.

We are evil and depraved.

Babies too? Also unborn babies? Than again, since child cancer is a thing - evil babies might be a thing too. But I digress.

So tell me how are you evil and what is depraved about you?

Don’t you see what we have done to this earth?

The same any species without a natural predator would have done? It's more of an argument against human intelligence as it is for god.

And our moral compass has been ingrained in us since Eden. You don’t need to be a Christian to have morals. We have them because it’s true.

Source: trust me bro I read it in an old fantasy book.

Before mass slaughtering the Jews in concentration camps, the Nazis also proposed to deport all the Jews to some african country, for instance Madagascar.

That is the plan of the fascists.

It's not that hard to read the comment I was referring to as equating EPP with fascist.

Ahh makes sense, you think that humans are evil and depraved - which is kind of telling on yourself. So maybe for you specifically it's cool that there is a book explaining that murder is bad. Most people just need a bit of empathy to get such a complex idea.

It's sexualizing children in the same way as daddy porn sexualizes incest, you are taking fantasies at their literal face value without looking into what's going on.

So you don't have ideas in your head about the world that affect how you interact with the world? Might be true for you, but I would say it's not an universal experience. Also I don't say it's juts ideas but ideas are part of our psychology.

And people are often governed or motivated by ideas.

Thanks for existing, you are great advertisement for atheism, keep up the good work.

Basically every religion has some idea of sin.

Tell me more about sin in Buddhism.

It’s atheism which tries and removes that by claiming objective morality doesn’t exist, and that morality is merely just subjective and what people agree upon.

That has nothing to do with atheism. All atheism does is stating that there is no god.

and that morality is merely just subjective and what people agree upon.

You might not like it, but that's how it is - animals are not concerned with morality, it's something we human came up with. Does not mean it's any less valuable than morality derived from magic creatures and imaginary friends.

I asked you what conditions you were concerned about for salvation, and you didn’t mention one but tried to demean me again as if I don’t know what “conditions” mean.

You are the one who claimed it was free. I just said it had conditions and was therefore not free. I'm not concerned about conditions to beginn with since there is nothing I need salvation from.

That is a funny perspective, I somehow like it.

Sins is not a universal concept, it's a christian thing to make people feel bad about themselfs. Often just basic human experiences like lust are somehow defined as bad and than moral apostles like you claim everyone is a sinner.

What “conditions” concern you?

Something is not free if you tie it in with conditions, I know you struggle with meanings of words an logic - but try to keep up.

I did not commit any crimes and don't have any sins, so there is nothing to forgive - and if so only people I wronged can forgive me. Also it's not free since it's coupled on a ton of conditions.

It's not free and not a gift.

Sultan Mehmed II

That's the dude who fought Dracula? Didn't know he was involved with enlightenment any sources to read up on it?