@dansup@mastodon.social Tight!

@cygnathreadbare@retro.pizza @Flipboard@flipboard.social @Gargron@mastodon.social @mmasnick@mastodon.social @quillmatiq@mastodon.social @Sarahp@mastodon.social @tantek.com@tantek.com Probably having a very usable Firefox helped out with that a lot too.

I don't know if it would have made sense to prevent Microsoft from "embracing" the Web; we would have lost a lot of people and utility to the whole ecosystem.

@cygnathreadbare @Flipboard @Gargron @mmasnick @quillmatiq @Sarahp This comes up so often. I wonder if there is any good historical documentation for the strategy of dealing with "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" ...? I think the famous example of Microsoft's embrace of the web, and extension via ActiveX and other proprietary features, was headed off by vigorous defense of open standards by @tantek.com , Molly Holschlag, others in the Web Standards group. https://www.webstandards.org/

@AngelicAura@pol.social @Flipboard@flipboard.social @mallory@techpolicy.social @tomcoates@me.dm yes, we think that moderators and admins shouldn't have to go broke and quit and shut down their servers.

We'd like to help figure out ways to keep them going -- I prefer the coop model, like the CoSocial server I use, but that's not for everyone.

@Neblib@mastodo.neoliber.al @Flipboard@flipboard.social @mallory@techpolicy.social @tomcoates@me.dm Us too!

@Neblib@mastodo.neoliber.al @Flipboard@flipboard.social @mallory@techpolicy.social @tomcoates@me.dm thanks. That's a fair critique. I'll see what I can do to get the full status of the project onto those pages.

@Neblib@mastodo.neoliber.al @Flipboard@flipboard.social @mallory@techpolicy.social @tomcoates@me.dm It took me a while to figure out what you meant here.

The projects are just starting because the organisation just launched. We'll show the deliverables on those pages when they're done.

@BeAware@social.beaware.live Thanks for the thoughtful reply. It's really helpful.

@jackemled@furry.engineer @AngelicAura@pol.social @Flipboard@flipboard.social @mallory@techpolicy.social @tomcoates@me.dm IFTAS is awesome.

@AngelicAura@pol.social @Flipboard@flipboard.social @mallory@techpolicy.social @tomcoates@me.dm why? That's not what we're working on at all. What made you think the point is advertising and trackers?

@tom@tomkahe.com @BeAware@social.beaware.live @DrakkenZero@retro.pizza @swf@socialwebfoundation.org that's right. We're using the AP plugin. Great to use!

@BeAware@social.beaware.live I don't think our goal is just to make money. I do think that having a financially viable Fediverse is important; it's one of our goals. But that can mean a lot of different things: coops, non-profits, grants, or companies.

But the money is a means to an end: having positive, independent social networking software and services.

@wisdomchicken it's funny that it seems like magic, since we're all on the same Internet. We've been conditioned to have such low expectations!

@wisdomchicken @Hazzard absolutely! Hazzard, I'd love to discuss!