dubious @ dubious @lemmy.world

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oh sure. i get it. i reply to other people for the sake of a third party reader also. fair enough.

you've lost sight of the big picture and possibly never had it to begin with.

i am trying to bridge the gap to a world where we use science to better the lives of all living beings in sustainable ways. conservatives are the road block. i have solutions. you don't.

you don't get to tell me what my value system is. it's mine. i don't have all day to explain how the world works to you.

hi. welcome to western civilization. you see, there's been this struggle going on for some time now between altruism and narcissism, aka conservatism and liberalism, aka leftist vs. right wing, and in the last few decades it's gotten pretty heated (it's done this before) and so yeah... the future of civilization is kinda hanging in the balance so maybe it's time for you to realize that:

IT'S A WAR. PICK A FUCKING SIDE.

Yeah, because your value system aligns more with MAGAts than with us

no. my METHODS align more with them. my values are completely different. conservatives are the enemy. me thinks you enjoy virtue signaling more than effectively dismantling the current systems that produce suffering.

most do.

but they are making lists. turnabout is fair play.

look, you've already made it abundantly clear that you are a weak pacifist, so i doubt you're going to make a point that has any influence over the way i think. that's why i mentioned that there's no point to us debating any of this. if our values don't align, you'll just be appealing to virtues that have no merit in my value system. do you understand what i'm saying?

says who?

no i just realize that you have to fight back. in a war, both sides use weapons. are you going to throw water balloons because you don't want to be like your opponent? wise up.

why not together?

for the record, i care about what happens to the planet. sometimes i say i don't for the sake of my own ego.

we've spoken before. i think you are a weak person with no solutions, content to allow the continual slide of our western society into dystopia. there is probably no reason for us to continue speaking as our values don't align.

there is absolutely nothing to gain in war by taking the high road

the resources aren't the problem (although i would still only half agree with you on that statement). it's the quality of life. do you want to live your life packed into an apartment? do you want to get on a 5 lane freeway to go get groceries? do you want to go to a state park and not be able to find a parking space? do you like crowded spaces? do you want to continue to burn rain forest to create range lands? do you want to watch the suburbs continue to expand into natural areas? do you want to continue to global warming?

we are a much more sustainable species at half our current population level.

maybe you should leave the country then. i'm here to win because i care about what this planet looks like after i'm gone. there is no place for cowards any more.

the fuck it aint. all you got to do is have only one child and you will reduce the population by half in a single lifetime.

i'm okay with any solution that provides a sustainable future in which we protect the quality of life for all living things. there is no perfect path towards that future, but without one, we will destroy no only ourselves but so many innocent creatures.

we are currently in a failed state of humanity. we need a reset.

i'd rather be stalin than in the gulag

sure, but only one side can win. which side do you want that to be?

the simplest solution is to stop having so many babies. population reduction is critical to quality of life.

it's okay. cowards need not apply.