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I'm actually going to say that I think designing a restaurant for disastrously unhealthy fast food in a way that makes it look and feel like a playground shouldn't be legal, and I'm happy to see them look as dull and unappealing as possible to young children.

The ongoing health crisis is so severe in no small part because of things like that 1990s picture getting kids addicted to trash. This post feels like someone from the 1970s yearning for the days of Joe Camel. Plain packaging does work.

Edit: I thought Joe Camel was much older than it really is.

New Deltarune mod idea where Gay Putin, Bald JD Vance, and Xinnie the Pooh replace the main trio, respectively.

Have you even been reading this thread? This is about the level of tech literacy kids get from using an OS for school, not about what you're theoretically capable of doing. Yes, you're right, root access on both macOS and Chrome OS would be locked out in a school setting. That makes your braindead argument a non-starter for this discussion. Even if what you said about the rooting difficulty were true (again, showed it isn't), it could not possibly matter less here. And yes, I am going to say that official, step-by-step documentation that takes a few minutes at most to follow is easier than following some third-party website and then resetting your entire OS.

Even in a situation where it's not locked down, neckbeards like you and I are in the vanishingly small minority of users who ever touch root access; when we're talking about generations of people being raised to be tech-illiterate, root access has fuck-all to do with that. Unless the OS is incentivizing average users to use root access enough that a sizable portion actually would (desktop Linux and nothing else), then a comparison of which OS gives easier root access couldn't be less relevant when talking about an entire generation of kids.

Here, Chrome OS is meaningfully much worse than OS X for teaching kids tech literacy on the grounds that the average user experience is dumbed down to hell. Meanwhile:

Fuck Google and fuck Apple, stop defending them

Literally where? I've done nothing but lambast Chrome OS this entire thread except to correctly point out that it has user-facing folders which you do often interact with. Apple? By correctly pointing out that the Apple desktop ecosystem is massively less dumbed-down than Chrome OS, I'm defending them? Dude, I use Linux and Android (the latter begrudgingly; locked bootloader) and would never purchase an Apple product again for the foreseeable future; next time, save your sweaty, mouth-foaming screed about Apple bad for when you actually find someone who likes and supports Apple.

Should've gone the 4Kids One Piece route and turned it into a lollipop.

Did... Did they censor the cleavage?

Can't you at least give such good, hard-working buns a path to citizenship in your garden? 💔

It's so funny too, because in the very next article, they correctly call another proposal "proposed". Like, Linuxiac, what is this:

AIPAC dark money paying for itself thousands of times over.

• The thing about root access is just objectively untrue. These are the steps to gain root access on macOS as provided by Apple. Meanwhile, I can find no official tutorial from Google, and more importantly, enabling developer mode wipes your Chromebook. I legitimately cannot imagine what on god's green Earth you did to make the macOS process more painstaking than wiping your device.
• Even if your premise weren't demonstrably untrue, this isn't a discussion about what you can theoretically do with a device; it's about the kind of workflow the device would encourage for a typical student using it. In this regard, a Chromebook is massively dumbed down. Sure you might dip into the downloads folder, but Chrome OS by design encourages the use of web apps as much as humanly possible and severely restricts your ability and incentives to meaningfully interact with your OS outside of a browser.
• Even assuming that the process of gaining root access mattered to this discussion (it categorically doesn't), what you can and cannot do with that root access would matter far more, and in that unrelated discussion, macOS clearly still wins out (unless you'd want to argue that developer mode lets you install Linux, at which point this is no longer about Chrome OS).

I know it's just an early mockup, but Calamares looks waaaay better than this, and I wouldn't want to see this replace it in anything even close to this state. This is not slick.

Though serviceable, [Calamares is] not as slick as the initial setup on Windows, macOS or even GNOME.

Setup on Windows? Slick? Dude fuck, I do not want whatever vision this author wants for Linux if the minefield of dark patterns is "slick" to them. Calamares is the slickest, most straightforward OS install I've ever had, far surpassing Windows.

Ah, sorry, that makes sense. If you didn't know, there's a common Republican talking point that – because the Democrats were the racist slavers in the 1800s and the Repuublicans the progressive abolitionists – the modern-day Democrats are the real racists because like, like, uh, look at what they did 160 years ago! Completely ignoring, of course, the context I linked to above.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1932_United_States_presidential_election
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_realignment
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixiecrat

Leaving this here instead of removing this dumbfuck comment for disinformation based on an intellectually dishonest half-truth.

The 00s thing was the only demonstrably wrong part of my comment, and it was long-since corrected when you commented. So I asked why – when you argued that "being wrong" was a key component of the heavy downvotes – you took an aside for that yet conspicuously didn't mention how the comment with a 10:1 ratio spends half its length confidently spouting complete, easily disprovable bullshit about user-facing folder structures.

Seems more like a mix of anchoring bias, the bandwagon effect, and a disregard for critical thinking than it does factual accuracy, unless the tone policing component swamps everything else.

How do you connect "what apple did on the 90s" and "what chrome OS did in the 00s" (which it was the 10s, not the 00s) as a direct comparison between operating systems?

Because they're directly saying that Apple did with Macintosh what Google did with Chromebooks and that wasn't a problem for real-world tech literacy.

What the commenter is suggesting is that both google and apple had a hand in making students not prepared to interact with technology, not that they did it in the same way.

Except that they're using iMacs as a precedent that dumbed-down Chromebooks didn't (at least substantially) harm tech literacy. My interpretation is somehow a generous one, because the other interpretation is that they're comparing the iMac being complex but different from the industry standard to Chrome OS being dumbed down. These are two vastly different things.

I comprehended enough: either option is stupid as fuck – just one indicates a lack of evidence while the other indicates a lack of basic logic.

You were down voted because you were wrong [...]

I'm wrong? Yeah, I originally said "00s and 10s" for Chrome OS because I thought it came out in 2008, but I looked it up and corrected myself yesterday(?) to just "10s" – completely incidental to the point of my comment. Did you notice too that OS X didn't exist in the 90s but I called it that anyway for simplicity? No? Oh, that's right: no one actually gives a shit.

Meanwhile, they're spouting provable and obvious misinformation about how Chrome OS doesn't have a user-facing folder system, so I think your explanation for why I was downvoted should leave out "I was wrong". Clearly the voters didn't give a shit about factual accuracy. I'm sure the other commenter used Chrome OS enough to judge it when they're saying that. Weird how you didn't address the part of my comment correcting transparent misinformation.

You were down voted because you were [...] an asshole

I was an asshole. And any mixture of "wrong" and "an asshole" gets blind upvotes on Lemmy all the time. No, what got me downvotes is that Lemmy doesn't have Reddit's hidden votes feature that stops a cascade of morons blindly downvoting anything that's at negative (I was at +2, -23 when I made my second edit; just acknowledging that blind, uncritical downvoting took that ratio from ~1:11 to ~1:3). And I'll continue being a condescending asshole until this Lemmy equivalent of boomers giving one star to businesses they've never been to – because Google asked them to rate their experience – is dead.

Have a nice day.

Nixon under that, Hoover under that...

So did anyone else read this in Silver's voice from the Sonic '06 fandub?

They absolutely compared OS X to Chrome OS by directly comparing what Apple did in the 90s and 00s to what Google did in the 10s. If you take the comment as its own isolated thing, sure; if you understand it as a response to another comment (which it is), then the comparison is smacking you in the face.

What planet am I on right now? Should this conversation be about media literacy instead of tech literacy?

This is so true. But your title is fewer than 20 characters. Under Rule 7, Amendment 6 § 38.5(b), you're hereby banned from every community I moderate.

No smarm this time: my question was 100% genuine. I actually don't know how you can use these operating systems and draw those conclusions. This feels like they ate someone else's half-baked opinions left out overnight, got food poisoning, and threw them up into this comment.

Also, in my opinion, being condescending is the correct response to people confidently spewing complete, easily disprovable bullshit. I confidently get things wrong sometimes too, but I'm getting really sick of this "I'm qualified to speak on everything" culture that social media is exacerbating.