TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them] @ TheDeed @hexbear.net

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They have ideological commitment. I think there will probably gonna be some more riots if they continue to try to conscript them.

Not reform here, im reconstructionist. But yeah lots of Reform jews are Zionist and many many Conservative Jews are highly zionist as well.

To add to this, yeah Israel has done a lot of work to make people conflate Judaism as a religion with Zionism and muddying the waters, when Zionism is first and foremost a secular settler colonialist ideology.

Good answer!

You might be thinking of Karaites, which is a split from Rabbinical Judaism and they only think the Torah is valid and not the Talmud.

Karaites are a SUPER small religion worldwide, off the top of my head I'd say probably a couple thousand people. (Edit: more then I thought I guess, Wikipedia says 50k max)

The Haredi are definitely rabbinical Jews like 99% of jews worldwide and Talmud is extremely important.

Like important to the point where they dont even work a job, their wives work so they can study their entire life. But yeah "studying Torah" is just a shorthand for Torah + Talmud study.

This is what I've been trying to express but poorly, this is much more succinct.

Haredi don't tend to migrate in large numbers, and the last big wave was in the 50s. Most of them were born there. Their parents + grandparents + great grandparents mostly moved there either during Mandatory Palestine or right after Israel was established as a state. Most of the Jews moving to Israel recently are American and European reform/conservative Jews.

Most Haredi oppose Zionism as like a core principle. They think that only the Messiah can establish Israel, not humans.

But some that are born there live there for the same reason your average Death To America left type broke white person still lives in America.

Anti-zionism is not necessarily pro Palestine. But yeah, most of the haredi over there are anti-zionist.

Zionists settling and colonizing Israel of course is pretty recent, but huge chunk of the haredi there were born there at this point as I mentioned in another comment. We're talking about the kids and grandkids of settlers for the most part. Most of the people going to Israel these days though are reform/conservative Jews.

I'm from the USA. There's plenty of white people here descended from settlers that I wouldn't call settlers themselves, although settler culture is a still pervasive through the legacy of white supremacy. But yeah, it'd be disingenuous if I said oh every white person in the PSL believes in manifest destiny or something. For lack of a better analogy.

What I mean to say by all this is I only commented because it was an overgeneralization, anti-zionism is a defining characteristic of haredi Jews so it was just a little jarring to read. Certainly they aren't anti-zionists for the same reasons as you or I, but still

I don't have hard numbers for you, but there hasn't been large scale haredi migration to Israel since around the 50s, that is, 70-80 years ago. Most of the Haredi in Israel now were born there, we're talking about the kids and grandkids of settlers for the most part. Haredi tend to kinda stay in place, see New York.

They've been trying and failing to get them to enlist in exchange for free school, but it hasn't worked at all lmao. All the dudes wanna do is study Torah

They are broke as fuck.

Most Haredim are not zionist.

Edit: and not all Haredim are Ashkenaz either... Especially in Israel. There's Sephardic and Mizrahi haredim as well.

Edit 2: are you Jewish? This is just straight up false.

TIL Andrew Tate is biracial

This is cool af

Also you can get the jecket back in the new game, I like that they added that in

What the fuck is this

Biden blew up nordstream

White Americans consistently disappoint. When it comes down to any single issue their primary motivator is always race, and that goes for a lot of people who consider themselves leftists as well.

It's honestly sad, even along class issues they will rather put themselves to the sword than allow for anyone nonwhite, especially Black people, to get ahead in this country

gee let's go to war