You say it causes no harm to society but they'll argue it causes immense harm to God's plan, or whatever. They can also point to the plummeting birth rates which are now almost below the level to maintain the American system. It's a problem that is being debated amongst the highest members of the house and Congress. Of course the reason isn't abortion and is much more complex and societal and due to uncertainty about the environment and wanting to raise children when the parents are a decade a way from buying a house on two full-time incomes now and how much worse it's going to get for their hypothetical children.

My point is you have to see it through their worldview, and understand how they believe it affects them, now only see it through yours.

Yes, thank you.

Growing up without the Catholic dogma and worldview thrust upon you from birth (and consequently playing a part of every action you ever make {unless you lose your faith}, and many thoughts you think) and trying to use the argument that abortion does NOT equal murder is like arguing with an alien. Because from a personal worldview lense, they absolutely do believe abortion = murder with every fiber of their being. It's not enough to just say "no it's not" or make really any argument that leads to that debate. It even affects the views of many ex-catholics who have religious trauma and have been through extensive therapy for it.

No, to you and I, abortion is not murder. But trying to argue that is equal to them arguing to people like us (I assume) that gay people are not just, existing and normal, and not making a conscious decision to be gay. They think it's due to trauma and all gay people are mentally ill and can be cured. However there's no curing necessary. But they'll argue until they're blue in the face that it is. It's the same level of worldview solidification.

No. They are saying that CA doctors are mailing abortion pills to states where abortion/abortion pills have been outlawed. In other words the citizens of TX voted against abortion on a large scale, and CA is performing 'ideological colonization' by mailing to anyone in TX who does want them, since the majority do not.

Quite a thing for the Catholic church to bring up ideological colonization though... 🗿

Anyone who reads my full comment will understand I'm pro-choice but I understand the need to preface comments like this. Otherwise I'm repeatedly downvoted after a sentence.

So:

I am pro-choice.

I get what you're saying, but unfortunately if you're looking at this through the catholic worldview/lense of thought, the doctrine they were raised to believe is the only right way to live, so it's the same as someone saying to you "citizens who don't want to murder can just... not murder people. Like, that's not that hard. We don't need laws against murdering people though"

Required reading: “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

It's okay, I was just making a joke.

I'm getting off on the next stop.

Because of the duty to report?

Being right on the Internet > OPSEC and NATSEC secrets

Oh wow with a name like eye4fraud I never would have guessed they were legitimate and widely used but it looks like you're right.

Check your email addresses at haveibeenpwned.com and it will tell you what was all was leaked. eye4fraud was likely a fraud credentials hosting site that got hacked and leaked, and yours was in there, and it would have come from a previous leak.

Only because it's paradigm shifting and worldview shattering.

"Only baby teeth grow back, and if you lose your adult teeth you're fucked, enjoy your dentures."

Don't worry though, you probably have a few decades to realign your worldview. 9/10 of clinical trials fail.

I fucking hated school both because I was held back while everyone else reached a decent level, and also it didn't actually teach me anything fucking useful, especially during high school.

held back

Any chance you dropped out early? We were taught all the things you mentioned starting at a Junior level (10th grade). Of course most kids hated it and didn't pay attention or give a shit.

If they're smarter than their parents, they will be taught how to learn it on their own, bare minimum. If they're equal in intelligence or dumber than their parents, they can't learn it anyway right?

Since wages haven't kept up with inflation, both parents now need full-time jobs, and most need an hour or two to mentally separate from work before thinking about teaching their kids things they asked for help with. It would take an amazing human to get done with their stressful 8 hours and immediately think on the way home 'hey, I want to try to talk my kid into learning to do taxes tonight, and for the next few nights!' K-12 is glorified government babysitting at this point, a way to try to keep kids from getting into trouble. But read my other comment, most of this stuff is taught in most American schools already. Bitching before doing your own self-reteaching is just something that comes naturally for people and this bitching point has become a meme (looks up oh, literally I guess, hah)

American here and my comment speaks only about America. I don't have the faintest knowledge of the school system in other places.

My high school DID have a mandatory class for Juniors, all the way back in the mid 2000s, that taught all this stuff. How to properly write resumes and cover letters, balancing your checkbook / managing your finances, doing your taxes, how to properly read a contract and always reading the fine print and how you can nullify or change certain parts of the contract and have the other party agree on it, all the important adult stuff. I don't even remember the name of the class because I was too busy thinking about getting stoned after school with my friends, but I do remember it being interesting enough to remember what they were teaching. We also had a mandatory Government class that taught about the branches and how they all work, all the basics, what lobbying actually is and how you can do it, etc.

The truth is, when you offer this information to moody overworked teenagers -- 80% is taught already -- there is almost nothing they give less of a fuck about at the time, save for maybe the nerdy A+ across the board overachiever kids. The ones that partially cared remember it as well as they do binomial fractions. Basically, that it exists. Maybe. It's only later on when they now have to do the research themselves and it's not hand-curated for them that they bitch why didn't school teach me the important things?!

They did. You were busy not listening or caring.

Anyone that wants to challenge me on this, don't just downvote me. Name your high school and this week I'll pose as a reporter from a small paper calling to ask about the "important life skills kids need to know after high school" - the aforementioned topics, and ask if they have classes that cover it and how long they've had the class, and also whether they're elective or mandatory. I'll give you the name of the person(s) I spoke to, and proof that the call took place and then you can call for yourself to verify.

The point of school is to give you a large amount of background knowledge that you can later recall the name of and look up yourself even if you don't remember exactly what they taught you. AND to train you as a good worker in the capitalistic system, yes, but I'm not arguing that they don't -- we do live in a capitalistic system, after all. But they also teach you about all the other types of economic systems.

And you wonder why some of your teachers aren't the kindest people to everyone with calm demeanors, even though they purposely chose -- maybe decades ago -- that they wanted to help kids learn.

This is all retrospective from someone in his 30s of course. I hated school too and said all the same things. I'm just trying to drop some knowledge for those of you that are young enough that this might apply. Pay attention to the material, and check your electives. I'm positive some American schools don't teach any of this, particularly in poorer areas, but if you go to a school that isn't rated horribly, they probably have a class about this stuff for you, if you want it.

2008... In the bible belt as specified and clarified in the initial comment. You?

Edit: I didn't even realize this was the atheism sub. The collective of teenagers and adults damaged by religion and still haven't found a healthy way to cope, so they circlejerk about it to seethecope.

Protip: talk therapy works, and fits within a staunchly materialistic worldview.

We're talking about 13 year olds here, not 30 year olds. I have one. They judge each other based on the absolute dumbest shit. The site they got their Jordans from, how many followers they do/don't have on whatever platform, whether someone's text message bubble shows a certain color.

Don't get me started on the 'shooters' that worship Satan and don't even own a pair of Jordans.

Thankfully mine is aware that none of that stuff matters, and I try to convince them not to get it any thought, and always be friendly to everyone regardless, but they're still heavily judged by their peers for all of that, they feel it and to them societal rejection is still one of the worst emotional pains they've experienced so far, so we still get constant requests to buy this thing or that thing for them because it's what's cool this millisecond.

Kids aren't the brightest, their brains are still developing until they're in their 30s, and the emotional turmoil it takes is still incredibly real to them, regardless how little thought you want to give it.

Just because to you "it's just middle/high school" and "it won't matter to them in 10 years" doesn't negate the tears and heartbreak that are so very raw and real to them, right now.

Friends gained is what I'm talking about, numbnuts. You associate with people before you become friends with them. Friendship doesn't happen overnight, and it happens much less if you're the school outcast because "she's a Satanist and her dad baptized her in blood" or whatever rumors are about to start flying around once her current friends confirm it's true.

By then, no amount of explaining the rationalization of the difference between the CoS and TST will un-outcast her.

Thankfully middle- and high- school aren't forever, but many outcasted kids just off themselves because to them, so far it has been forever and they don't know any better.

Signed, the formerly outcasted middle schooler from the Bible belt who is fine as an adult but wishes my parents would have thought about the consequences of their actions.

Maaaan I hope you don't live in the Bible Belt.. because if so, you just royally screwed your daughter when it comes to meaningful associations in school.

When you hear hoofbeats think horses, not zebras.

When the majority of people hear Satanist, they think Anthony LaVey and the Church of Satan - Satanism.

I hope she makes that distinction instantly and incredibly clear to everyone around her.

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