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Yeah the telegram post that i copied here is indeed pretty polarized against systemd, that's why i reported it integrally because that is not my view, and i think that is dumb to call names microsoft or the like. Still i find it concerning that microsoft and IBM controls somehow systemd and what that means, if it gets even more rooted inside everything in linux.

Cool! Maybe for a tight, small system is good? Let me know if you come to conclusions.

This is concern indeed, but not using systemd myself, i don't care too much.

Is the fact that such a critical core compoent spanning everywhere in the system is under the control of IBM and Microsoft that concerns me.

And yes you exactly waste people time :)

Jokes apart, well i think that having a core component so much linked to IBM and Microsoft is a potential danger to Linux itself. What if it was the kernel to be in the hands of Google and Microsoft? Where would Linux as we know it be going to?

This is concerning, i think. I thought it was clear from the first post. I dont want to share an opinion on how good or bad systemd is from a technical point of view, because i do not have such an opinion because i use OpenRC and never used systemd long enough to judge it from a tech pov

Yeah, OpenRC is pretty good IMHO, never had an issue with it. sysv is just like comparing to Windows 3.1 i guess.

Probably it's too much asking to go trough all of them indeed, it's lemmy afterall, already most of the comments didnt actually read the entire first post either.

But i think i didnt have to provide "pro-systemd" links as my intent is not to discuss it's technical goodness (which i do not dispute!) but to understand what is the common idea about the fact that systemd could be a critical part of Linux which is in the hands of IBM and Microsoft and what this means for the linux community overall.

Either nobody cares, or it's too much complottistic to be real.

Yes, that is one point. Having the main dev working for "the enemy". Systemd being developed by the main dev who is at microsoft? To me that rings some bells.

He will keep doing a great job, he is paid for this, but the point is that microsoft could try to control linux a bit too much, and so is IBM...

Yeah, as i stated i am not questioning systemd good or bad, useful or not, but the non-techinical aspects highlighted in the links...

Thank you, at least somebody took care to actually respond to my question somehow!

LoL

I am not debating it's good or bad from a technical perspective, i don't care, i am sure it's good otherwise why use it at all.

Why are you focusing on that? I never said it's been forced, i never said its bad or evil, i never discredited it.

I think it's worth understanding if the non technical points are just FUD or not, i worry about the future of Linux, not the future of it's init system whatever it is, all it need to do is satisfy it's function and OpenRC do it as well as systemd (there, with the small d is it different?).

I was under the impression SystemD was the name, with the capitals and all. Will fix the top post if this is somehow offending you. Whatever.

Exchange of opinions is a great way to learn and broaden your views.

How is musl? Does it make a difference on glibc?

Fellow gentooer! I love how much you can actually decide by yourself how to craft your system with Gentoo.

OpenRC just rocks, a few lines of bash and all is set. But indeed is not for everybody.... (Joking).

Did you read my post at all? Maybe I am not clear enough.

I don't care for systemd, I don't dislike it I don't like it. I don't use it but merely because I never felt the need to use it, or I would have use it.

What people think of the non technical reasons given in the links/post is what I am asking. Is it just FUD or there is a valid base to them?

I don't dislike systemd, I never cared about systemd.

Do I need to start caring now due to all those non technical issues?

(Tldr added to top post)

Anyway what you describe is done at DBUS level which has nothing to do with an init system. I do have DBUS and works just fine as it would with OpenRC or SystemD either.

SystemD doesn't really help with all that, with OpenRC never had issues with that.

You are right... I will fix the top post

Use OpenWRT and enable Fast Transitioning, works perfectly.

Self hosting email is a difficult business.

The main issue is that you must have a static IP and that IP needs to have a good mail reputation or you will be blacklisted in a few days.

Said so, Today there are pretty good selfhostable email stacks like stalwart

My solution, which has been running for over two decades, is bare metal with postfix, dovecot, opendkim, opendmarl, spamassassin and a few more poeces which are all absolutely mandatory. Plus a nice webmail and a few more optional pieces.

But on gentoo, not on nix