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I’m going to post this idea by agent_nycto, because it’s another good way to deal with them, especially if you run into them IRL:

I don't think you should be quiet, it makes them feel like everyone is agreeing with them and makes everyone miserable. Time to introduce you to my favorite game to play with conservatives, Politics Judo!

So you hear them rant about a thing. Some dumbass talking point. Let's use gun control. It's pretty easy to know in advance what the talking points are since they never shut up and parrot the same problem and solution over and over. "Shouldn't take guns, it's a mental problem not a gun problem".

Things are basically boiled down to a problem and a solution. A lot of people try to convince people that the problem isn't what people think it is, and that's hard to do. Even if they are just misinformed, it feels like trying to dismiss their fears.

So what you do is you agree with the problem, then use lefty talking points as the solution.

"Oh yeah, gun violence is pretty bad! And I love the Constitution, we shouldn't mess with that!" (Use small words and also throw in some patriotism, makes them feel like you're on their side. You want to sound like a right wing media con artist) "so instead of taking guns away, we should instead start having more, free, mental health care in this country. Since it's a mental health problem and these people are crazy, that is the solution that makes the most sense!" (Don't try to get them to agree to your solution, just state it as the obvious one)

It becomes weaponized cognitive dissonance. Their brains fry because you said the things you should to agree with them, flagged yourself as an ally, but then said the thing they were told is the bad and shouldn't want.

If they try to argue with your solution, rinse and repeat to a different talking point. "Oh yeah it might cost more, and we shouldn't have to pay more for it, so we should get the rich people who are screwing average hard working Americans over by not paying taxes to do that. We should shut down tax loopholes and increase funding to the IRS so they can go after them instead of the little guy"

Always sound like you're agreeing with them, but giving solutions that they disagree with that seem to be off topic but are related.

Oh man this is perfect lol

I remember a meme circulating a little while ago that went something like, ‘People who change their opinions because they’re annoyed by liberals are weak-willed; liberals are annoyed by other liberals every single day.’

No, it’s worse than even that. The sycophants surrounding him fall into two camps: the uber-wealthy who want to buy businesses, houses, everything for a song, and see this as a golden opportunity since they have more than enough wealth to ride this out; and the loons who believe the end times are almost upon us and will let Trump do whatever he wants as long as he triggers the Rapture.

Really, there’s three groups, because there’s also a small subset (Zuckerberg is one of them, Elon is another) who fall into both camps. They dream of the day that the world implodes, the governments dissolve into chaos, the environment turns horrible and hostile.

Then they will retreat into their lavish bunkers (Zuckerberg’s is in Hawaii) with their servants and security guards (their loyalty guaranteed by shock collars and their families being held hostage) and wait for everything to subside. And then they will emerge with their loyal army to build their perfect paradise, with them at the head of it, of course.

Seriously, they write long think-pieces and even whole books about this stuff.

Sharia, really? You can’t possibly be that stupid.

It’s that too! But it’s also a cult. People who study cults for a living confirm the heck out of that.

I recommend this lady as a starting point if you’re curious. She’s former SpecOps.

This is a very good analogy!

Although to be pedantic, there are white crows; there was one living in my neighborhood some years back.

And they want things to get worse.

As long as everyone else has to scrabble in the mud, they don’t care. Their desire to feel superior and rub it in everyone’s faces is stronger than even their desire to live.

I just don’t get it.

Historically, yes. But these days almost all the proselytizing going on these days is from American groups, or groups bankrolled by American religious groups.

But it does appear that he was just doing it for TikTok clout.

Little coward is probably afraid of getting the Brock Allen Turner treatment.

Please tell me you mock him roundly for it.

I’m with ZombiePirate. They do. This video explains it rather well, actually.

People who want money or resources. You have to remember though, these aren’t the brilliant businessmen they think they are.

Most of these rich people are rich through family and luck, and believe they have magical powers to resurrect businesses and economies with a snap of their fingers.

They think they’ll just put everything back together with them at the top. They really have no idea how they’ll do that, of course.

Same here. What a pile of bullshit.

And it’s easier to get to a polling place in the city than the country. This is just republicans not wanting to listen to their constituents again.

Wow, helping people instead of jailing them actually works? How shocking /s

In this case it’s just the rich punishing a plebeian for daring to challenge them, in the hopes of they make his punishment terrible enough everyone else will be too scared to rise up.

But in answer to you astute observation that the ‘pro-life’ people love the death penalty, the reason is simple: to these people, being ‘bad’ isn’t something you do, it’s something you are.

So to them it’s not a break in internal logic at all. They gave the pure, innocent baby a chance, but they turned out to be a Bad Person, so they must be punished, because that’s what you deserve for being a Bad Person.

This is why they favor punitive jailing and killing criminals instead of trying to reform criminals; criminals are Bad, and so they will always do Bad Things.

It’s also why they do stuff like try to get rid of abortion. If a woman got pregnant from ‘sleeping around’ then she’s a Bad Person and deserves to be punished by carrying the child to term.

Yeah, but 1929 was actually fine for the richest families. Plenty of wealthy people got even richer.

You’ll notice the language in that article describing the success of the businessmen is stock-market-bro speak for ‘gobbled up businesses for pennies on the dollar thanks to the depression, then rode out the storm and made bank’.

Lots of guys on the market these days dreaming of building empires that way.

Translation: hey rich customers, fire sale and reason to lay off your highest-paid employees incoming!

Remember, they and the people who listen to them wanted this.

Funny thing; when you basically force people to marry, they sometimes end up marrying someone they don’t love. Strange how that works.

It does for you. For the intended audience, it makes them cheer and jeer at the ‘stupid brown woman’ ‘finally getting her comeuppance’ for ‘daring to disrespect the flag by being an illegal’.

They have no sympathy or empathy. They want to see PoC crying in chains as they are led off by white officers. To them, that means the system is working.

It’s not that they’re not Japanese enough. It’s that they’re too Japanese for their own good.

What I mean by that is that Japan is a very conservative, stratified, traditional culture. If you are X, then you must Y. Always.

If you are a man, you must have a proper job, and if you are high-ranking you must have a wife as well to carry on the family name. If you are a woman, you must marry before 25, and become a homemaker, as having a job is ‘man’s work’ and caring for the house is ‘woman’s work’.

(The reverse, with the man staying home, or even more outlandish, the woman staying single and having a career, is just not done, as the English would say. The few who do so are treated much like oddities in a circus sideshow.)

If you are high-ranking, you must have this kind of job. You must have these interests (usually calligraphy for men and a properly traditional instrument for women). If you are lower rank, then you have this kind of job. And you are to always consider your family/clan and their interests above your own.

And so on and so forth.

They are a very old culture, and every action, every position, is steeped in centuries of tradition. It makes for a strong framework, which is both good and bad. The way they tend to see it, things have always been ‘this way’, and to have them be any other way is simply unthinkable. Many of them literally can’t get their heads around the idea that things might be better different.

And that creates enormous social pressure to conform. ‘The nail that stands tallest is the one pounded down.’ Often people are punished more for rocking the boat than for causing actual problems, hence things like the major issue with women being groped on public transport. Sure, the men are sexually harassing them. But the women inevitably are the ones that get in more trouble for speaking up.

And because of the pressure to conform, those who can’t—such as failing to get into the ‘proper school’—feel like they have transgressed so badly that there is no other option but to counter the shame they brought to their families by killing themselves.