Pat12 @ Pat12 @lemmy.world

Native language French, fluent in English, practicing Cantonese and German.

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Why? As I said: France was always a mixture of ethnicities, the 19th century didn’t change anything other than the skin colour of some of the French citizens (or is that what you’re hinting at?).

"France's population dynamics began to change in the middle of the 19th century, as France joined the Industrial Revolution. The pace of industrial growth attracted millions of European immigrants over the next century, with especially large numbers arriving from Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Italy, and Spain.[10] In the wake of the First World War, in which France suffered six million casualties, significant numbers of workers from French colonies came. By 1930, the Paris region alone had a North African Muslim population of 70,000. Right after the Second World War, immigration to France significantly increased. During the period of reconstruction, France lacked labor, and as a result, the French government was eager to recruit immigrants coming from all over Europe, the Americas, Africa and Asia. "

This is what i'm referring to (the quote is from wikipedia). People from Poland, Belgium, Portugal, Italy, Spain, North Africa, Asia, and Africa would be considered French to a French person right? but to us they are expats who've moved to France. We wouldn't consider them French necessarily.

For me personally, someone being Dutch is based more on their attitude towards the Netherlands and other Dutch people: anyone who is loath to run into other Dutch people when abroad and who loves to complain about specific stupid policies of the Dutch government counts as Dutch to me.

Yes, this is the kind of thing that seems distinctly European to me.

Excluding people based on how they look, irregardless of what else (intelligence, special talents) they bring to the table, is widely considered to be racism

ethnic minorities being segregated/excluded is a separate issue (this ties with being able to speak Cantonese, govt policies for education, etc.). I wouldn't say that ethnic minorities/skin colour minorities are excluded from things in society per se, it's that they are viewed as foreigners and not "real HKers". Racism is very much a thing in Asia, i would say more so from older generations, i think younger generations are more open minded and understanding.

Thanks for the other explanations as well

there allways is a danger that it could go against the peoples ideals or even their interests.

isn't this the same reasoning for govt though? politicians will say one thing for votes and do another thing. If anything it's worse to trust a govt who will more likely go against people's interests. At least an NGO has a stated aim.

what does it mean that europeans consider NGOs to be undemocratic?

if your ancestry is from belgium/north france then you would be belgian/french with dutch nationality. I suppose when we refer to France we mean French before the 19th century immigration.

It differs a bit where I'm from. I have a friend from Malaysia who identifies as "Tamil-Malaysian" (Tamil being the ethnic group and Malaysian being the country). In HK we have a lot of ethnic minorities. Speaking frankly, if you look chinese, you would be considered HKer right off the bat, if you look any other skin colour (white, other asian, etc) you will be considered a foreigner living in HK even if your family has been there for generations. Here is a video i found as an example where some Indians who were born and raised in HK struggle to be seen as HKer

that was a sarcastic comment

armor for sleep, the band?

You could find a hobby that leans more female.

Is it acceptable to make friends at a gym/yoga/pilates studio? I always thought people prefer to work out then go home but for me this seems like an ideal option.

I'm not American but i've worked in Western Europe. I don't know why but there seems to be a lot of taxes for everything. You have to get govt permission for everything. People seem to rely on the govt to provide things rather than have some agencies fill niches that aren't filled by the govt (for example I saw signs like don't help homeless people, the govt is helping them).

I'm from an Asian country, we don't have much tax, we don't rely on the govt for anything (we can't), and we have many NGOs. I think it's similar in America.

As an Asian, there are a few things I can note about Europeans.

• Europeans seem to have lost their sense of traditions, to me as an Asian it doesn't make sense since keeping our traditions and values is a huge part of our culture and society.
• Europeans also accept blame for bad things they did in the past (which is a good thing) but I think they can go overboard to compensate for that (to their detriment). I don't think accepting blame for things in the past is a thing that's done in Asia; we rewrite history instead. It would help if we acknowledged what we did and can have better relations with others moving forward.
• Europeans identify more with nationality than ethnicity. For example, someone from Czech Republic moving to France is considered French. In North America I think they would be considered Czech-French. In Asia they would be considered to be a Czech expat living in France. Our ethnicity matters a lot.

Why smoking remains so prevalent. I’m sure it’s not a majority that smokes, but it is massively more common anywhere I’ve been in Europe than here in the US. I live in a fairly large city and I will go many days in a row without seeing a single person smoking.

I just don’t really get it. It’s gross, it smells, it ruins your teeth and your lungs, and it’s expensive. Why do it?

this is the same in asia. sometimes people don't even smoke, they just smoke because their boss does it and they do it to fit in at work. it's really awful.

i actually can't tell if you're serious or joking lol

What people are talking about in this thread are people who follow the movement, and not who Qanon is. Of course your friend isn’t Qanon. That would be absurd.

i didn't mean i thought they were qnon, i meant they are not part of the qanon movement

we assume innocence until proven guilty.

sure, most normal people don't get accused of such horrific things though, we don't come anywhere close to being exposed to that

I don’t know what the connotations of him are in East Asia.

I don't think there are any, I agree the audience for my questions are people who speak English (at a level they would understand what he's saying fluently), i don't think he's super well known or very popular here

he was in the local news a few years ago because he talked about the protest in hongkong but he was referred to as "ufc's joe rogan", not sure if he had the podcast back then

i meant that the person i know is not qanon, i was responding to "I don’t know but if someone told me they listened to Joe Rogan, I would assume...Worst case is Qanon nut job."

thank you!

any chance you could give a time period for this? was this a few months ago? this might have been what they were listening to

that was a rhetorical question, most people aren't skeptic of child sex abuse laws, child sex abuse is a horrific thing, we don't look for mitigating factors about why someone would have such a thing, most people don't think such laws are "draconian 'protect the children!' type laws that are just politically power grabs", i don't know US laws but if you are 18+ having inappropriate photos of a 17 year old i think would still be illegal and a reasonable adult would know that a 17 year old is still a minor

i don't think he (the person I know) is a qanon, i don't really know what that is but i don't think we have those kind of people here in asia (our politics are focused on different things)

well, i don't know fully. neither of us speaks english as a first language

could you give a few examples? This person was listening to something about Joe Biden