MisterScruffy @ MisterScruffy @lemmy.ml

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Who do you want to listen to? The dem strategists that failed miserably?

trump would not be better but dems have made it clear that they dont really take the environment seriously. They say its a crisis and we have to take action but then they open up more fracking and give more money to military contractors. This doesnt make me a trump voter but it does make me tune them out when they make appeals about climate because I know the dems will still sell the climate down the river in favor of big corporate lobbies when in power. That kind of double talk makes people give up on parties and stop caring.

No, frack you

Do you want there to be "camps" or do you not want there to be "camps"? I'm not quite sure. If you don't want "camps" then the party opposing the republicans needs to get more votes than they did this time and using the same message or strategy again probably won't achieve a better outcome. They need a better message, a better strategy, for all our sakes

I didn't sidestep. first of all "the media" did bring up trumps age I remember seeing it talked about. Also Biden's age was a problem. Blaming this loss on the media is like blaming the refs when you lose a game. Yeah they might've been bad refs but it's your job to win the game regardless. The way the media treats trump is not new and if the Dems didn't take that into account that was their mistake

I don't think kamala "frack the planet" harris was gonna make the environment much better

Are you threatening someone with being graped in a concentration camp?

Always has been

You're gonna give up in the face of fascism. It must not matter to you that much

Dems gave up on the working class after nafta and have stayed that way ever since

It's frustrating to have to support a party that doesn't understand how to run a popular campaign. This isn't the first time I've seen this. The dems will always kowtow to big donors instead of proposing policy that will make average people's lives better

The perspective that your just outlined lost this election. Do you want to beat fascism? If so you have to gain the interest of people who didn't come out in this election. If the stakes are really that high are you gonna lecture people or appeal to them?

Do you give up because people aren't reasonable? Or do you find a way to appeal to them despite that? If you pick giving up then you're letting fascism win

So you're admitting defeat because you can't imagine an actual progressive populist candidate that appeals to the things people care about (basically obama '08)

Most people aren't glued to politics. It's the job of the campaign to get people's attention and give them a reason to vote. They clearly failed at that because they lost. You can blame human nature but a good campaign takes human nature into account and this campaign was not a good one.

Do you want to win or do you just want to blame the people? If you want to win you have to find a way to motivate them whether they are being reasonable or not

Thanks to the campaign and candidates that were so bad they failed to motivate enough voters. Most people aren't glued to politics and it's the parties job to go to where those people are and get them interested. Harris, Biden, and the dems failed horribly at doing that

The majority of the voters are fucking idiots. What now? Do you just admit defeat or try a different way to reach the fucking idiots?

The push will be harder now because dems and libs will suddenly realize it's an atrocity the instant trump gets in office. They'll flip from telling pro Palestine people to shut up to yelling the same things we've been yelling for a year but at trump because the person in power finally won't be on their team so they finally will allow for criticism of the president.

Did you watch the first debate where Biden could hardly speak a sentence? They were right about Biden's age. And they knew that Trump voters would never listen to them so what's the point of going after him over and over?

At the end of the day the blame falls mostly on the campaign and on the party and they failed. They have to do better than this or they'll fail again.

I watched multiple speeches given by kamala and I watched the debate. This is the message I came away with and judging by the outcome of the election Im thinking that's the message most people got. Intention is irrelevant perception is what matters and they failed