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The lack of russian movement, russia dusting off museum worthy equipment, and that 8 hour "justice march" to Moscow kinda makes it seem like it is happening.

You likely mean Afghanistan, Iraq was a 8 year mess.

I think you mean russia is throwing money and ammo and tanks on a bonfire.

NATO is not Ukraine (yet), that makes about as much sense as say China getting to invade Iran because the UAE bombed north korea.

I would think popular uprisings like in 2014 against rich oligarch rule would be more up your alley. Really though that also does not work as much of an excuse to invade another nation state.

I think my screeching is quite pleasant compared to whatever mental gymnastics are needed to eat what you are selling.

Oh and as I said above, Ukraine gets to make the call on when they are willing to stop fighting. Not myself, not you.

See you have an issue in that argument. Without support (as that is what I assume would be the threat here) Ukraine has very clearly stated that it would fight on. You seem to forget that the west just lost a war in Afghanistan, who had no real foreign support.

All that cutting support off would do would drag this conflict out and make it mostly partisan action.

You are Ukrainian then? Because I think they are the only ones who get to make that call.

Oh yeah that worked so well for them in 1997 and 2014. Did people forget that peace negotiations have happened before and russia has broken the agreement every time?

Why would Ukraine or anyone for that matter take anything the russian federation says as not a lie? Also I think that in this case it would be stupid for Ukraine to allow russia any ability to regroup.

I wonder how often this sort of story will be posted here?

It is kinda like if eye bleach had the odd desiccated corpse pic. Not saying I am not down for it, but it was a bit of a shock.

Are you all OK over there?

This is about as uplifting as stories about kids selling lemonade to afford their mothers insulin.

And you can now say you helped!

Would it also be safe to assume you are an American (the country not the containment) citizen?

This is a story about a Swedish claim on russian interference in their internal politics with the assumed attempt of disrupting Sweden bid for NATO.

I hate to have to say this but making everything about the US is how you get a US centric world. I assume as you seem to think the cold war is still on (meaning russia is still the USSR) you would not have missed that the news cycle is full of US fuck ups, global missplays and dastardly acts. You seem to think that when there is an active war on in Europe and a European nation makes a statement about another European nation doing a bit of a nasty this is some how not the time for European issues but that we must now talk about the evils the US of A or the "west" in general has done before.

The problem is with the argument made by the article, which is that we should care about Russian meddling and we should act, or support actions, to stop it.

So, by your logic no one should care about anything any country does or does not do and global politics should become a mind your own business type affair?

I would also guess that you might just try and argue about how some meddling (ie russian) is fine though, somehow.

Oh its much older then the cold war "Tu quoque" style arguments go way back. I would still call it out no matter where or who it was directed at.

This is a post about a country doing something shitty, to then excuse shitty actions with a "but look at what other country does" is not calling out hypocrisy but to in fact encourage and endorse those shitty actions.

I am honestly looking for my defence of any "west" and coming up empty. And I think you might have just done whataboutism recursion. Neat!

Oh and yes, thanks for the "Hurdurr whataboutism!" I will remember to use that next time, it really gets the school yard vibe across.

I have and never will compare the two. I don't think anyone was expecting a contrast and compare with the USA (who I think only you have mentioned).

These "goal posts", you know the ones you set and rhetorically asked to provide evidence for....

"No. Stop projecting Western pathologies onto your enemies. Russia certainly has its share of the Western mind virus, but so many of its cultures were not even considered White by Europeans. You could do research for the next year and try to compile all the evidence of Russia being against brown people and it couldn’t hold a candle to even 1 of the Western European states."

I am sorry, but I must not be reading that right, I cannot parse.

Edit, much better.

Also did you see the comment about selective calling of whataboutism? Wild stuff, love to see it.

Ah Whataboutism, classic