get new phone

reboot to bootloader -> unlock -> you will use your warranty -> yes
It's fucking outrageous that companies are allowed to blatantly lie like that (you will not, in fact, lose your warranty -- Federal law doesn't allow it). Every company that displays such a fraudulent message ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse.
- ought to be fined by the FTC, or worse
  Fines don't work, just start throwing people in jail already.
  
  By its nature, the only penalties that can be applied to a corporate entity are fines or revoking its charter. The latter is what I had in mind when I wrote "or worse," although I suppose piercing the corporate veil and going after the company's executives personally is certainly an option too!
- OP seems to be Austrian. I don't think the FTC has anything to say about Austrian laws.
  
  OP may or may not be Austrian, but is definitely behind seven proxies
- Good to know... Is this only related to software hacking? Or is the warning sticker on hardware also bullshit?
  
  The warning sticker on hardware is also bullshit.
  The TL;DR of the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act is that if the manufacturer wants to deny your warranty claim, the burden is on them to prove that the owner's "unreasonable use" (abuse), neglect of required maintenance, or modification of the product was the actual cause of the failure.
  For example, a car manufacturer can't use the fact that you tinted the windows as an excuse to deny your claim for an engine failure, but they could deny it for your failure to perform oil changes.
  
  Hardware sticker is bs
- The amount that companies lie about laws is just disgusting.
  Oftentimes most of the EULA isn't even enforceable, but they put it there anyway. It really ought to be illegal to do that.
- Terms & conditions are more a wishlist than anything else ;)

At this point, I find a rom I like then shop for a new phone in the supported section
- Bought my Pixel just for GrapheneOS. It is not perfect, but better than all the Samsung etc. shit. And for the next couple years I am not forced to upgrade due to missing security updates, so there's that.
  
  Same with calyx
  
  Me too, it's awesome, I'm not planning on going back. On top I always buy the phone on the secondary market, still sealed, pay cash and everything works out great :D
  
  Exactly what I did, my Samsung had a tired battery and wanted to just start fresh with a privacy oriented device. I just hate the irony of having to buy a Google phone to get away from Google.
  
  I ran my secondary phone on Graphene for a while until I decided I needed my bank apps and work apps on my secondary phone or it's a bad backup, so I restored Google's OS to it and locked the bootloader again so I could use those apps
  It sucks that Samsung can't be resecured by reinstalling the official image
  
  Who makes you upgrade your phone? Does anyone have a case where something bad happened because of outdated security patches? I haven't come across any apps that don't work because of outdated security patches, but a bunch of apps won't run if you have root on your phone.
- Same. That's how I ended up with my current Samsung S8 + LineageOS, as pixel phones basically don't exist in Brazil.

Don't forget the part where the preinstalled OS forces you to accept the Google ToS. You just spent a few hundred bucks on a new phone and then it won't let you use it without also selling your soul.

I am concerned to find myself in a green text unironically
- My sexual orientation is now this post.

All that trouble yet you still install whatsapp. Make them text you by sms
- Signal
- SMS is arguably worse than WhatsApp, at least in terms of overall security
- SMS is literally unencrypted and contents of messages stored on your cell provider’s servers. At least WhatsApp is E2E encrypted (even if the metadata isn’t- just use Signal).
  
  Maybe I'm missing something but why be concerned about privacy when you're using whatsapp? It's owned by meta, they paid almost 20 billion for it
  
  At least WhatsApp is E2E encrypted
  Unless the source code is available it's not e2e encrypted.
- SMS lol
- Make them text you by sms
  SMS is expensive in Europe. There is a border and international charges every 100 kms.
  
  Ehm, no, it's capped at 0,06 euro per sms, excluding vat: https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/faqs/calling-and-texting-other-eu-countries-questions-answers
- that would require a SIM card

GrapheneOS. Easy, quick, reliable.
Yeah you have to buy a phone by Google but I don't mind giving them money to reward them for making a decent phone with an easily unlockable bootloader that lets you do what you want with it, even if it means denying them your data. This is extremely atypical from a company like Google so I want to encourage that kind of behavior.
- decent phone
  -costs $800
  
  -no SD slot
  -no headphone jack
  -no swappable battery
  -camera juts off the back so it doesn't even sit flat
  But hey, you can take your temperature by pointing the camera at your forehead!
  
  Paid under 400 for a new Pixel 7 two years ago after waiting for the prices to go down and it was about to be discontinued. No idea how much they cost now but you'll always overpay if you go for the latest and greatest.
  
  Pixel 7a can be bought new for 350€, this is what I would consider a decent phone. Admittedly I don't need much from my phone other than text, web browsing, taking photos.
  
  Less than half of that, if you're fine with a Pixel 8a, which I would be.
  I hate Google as much as the next guy, but if they offer me decent hardware at are reasonable price on which I can run GrapheneOS instead of their spyware, I'm not disinclined.
  
  You don’t have to purchase the flagship model
  
  eBay, older model, profit
- For peeps who want a lower cost option, Motorola allows easy unlocking too. I have a moto g7 power that I got for under $100 running Lineageos with microG. Its a six year old phone but it runs Android 14 just fine. I work in construction and I don't even use a case because these Motorola phones are durable and inexpensive.
  
  The easy unlocking isn't the killer feature with regards to bootloader.
  Being able to lock the bootloader again after having installed GrapheneOS is though.
- I was going to try this with my old Pixel 3 until I found out the bootloader was locked. 😡
  
  Locked in a way you can't unlock with developer settings?
  Bootloaders are always locked, pixels generally let you unlock them, unlock is in developer options, Google for how to enable developer options
- As someone that's run older pixels on LineageOS for years now (no gapps, just fdroid), what benefits would I be getting from using graphene? I appreciate the hardening they do but my needs are fairly simple.
- No thanks, I want root... LineageOS ftw
- What are the chances the phone is still spying on you at the "hardware" level so to speak?
- Literally the only reason i bought a new 8 Pixl Pro (absolut steal for 560€)

My banking app won't work if I'm rooted and before that when I had developer mode on it wouldn't work. Just gave me a error so I have the login to Firefox each time. I hate apps that block you because they can't track you anymore
- Banks that do this are just ignorant and hypocritical. Those same banks will let you log in from a web browser on the phone that is just as (un)likely to be compromised or from a desktop computer where you also have admin rights.
  
  that's why chrome added remote attestation and yall threw a fit
- Change banks bro.
  
  My bank locked me out of my account with their latest authenticator app update, I had to install an old version from backup. Which I only could do because my phone is rooted. I'm switching banks this year, not to one where the app won't lock me out (apparently that just isn't a thing, I'd gladly sign some paperwork about liability too, but nope) but one where I can still use a separate, purpose-built authenticator device. Because mine stopped supporting that for no reason.
  All of these bullshit security functions in Android and iOS seem to be there to be used by third parties against the device's owner. If Google and Apple actually cared about privacy and security they wouldn't let trash apps like WhatsApp steal your entire contact list.
  
  Or you could just not bank or just live in the woods. Some things are not as simple as it seems.
- I changed banks partially because of this. Ally bank would fake a "couldn't connect" error on the first 2 attempts and then succeed on the 3rd attempt. I switched to aspiration bank and their app works perfectly fine.
- My bank apps (three different Australian ones) are fine with developer mode, but not root, and not unlocked bootloaders
  They block you because the phone can't "guarantee" it's not corrupted. Theoretically it's for your protection as an unlocked bootloader means there's no local security, you may have used root to install something that breaks their security model
  I understand that side loaded apps can also reduce your device integrity score
- There's magisk hide. Doesn't always help, but worth the try.
  Or just use n26. no such BS on their side.

And that's after you swim through a hundred forum posts to figure out how the fuck to do it and why the fuck it isn't working.
- helps if you specifically get a phone model that isn't absolute bullshit, pixels generally don't actively fight you, which is extremely ironic since they're google's flagship.
  
  True enough. Samsung was a minefield of bullshit. If I'd have started with an old Pixel it'd have been much easier.
  
  Any other great phones for custom OSs?

This, except install LineageOS and don't bother with removing google/Samsung stuff. And skip whatsapp as my older contacts email me and younger ones have moved to Signal

Find out too late that this exact sequence of events identifies you as Hamas to Mossad and your phone explodes.
- Yikes

There was a problem initializing your phone, contact customer service.
Customer service flash restores everything back to the way it was in the box.

GrapheneOS
- GrapheneOS is amazing, but im on my 3rd issue with Pixel hardware. Bad battery, fingerprint scanner, and now sim card tray.
  
  Must be extremely unlucky to have all those three.
  I'm on my third Pixel phone without a single issue. 😬
  
  Rough, my battery has been stellar on the 6 pro since I got it. I know its not a fix but you probably shouldnt use fingerprint unlock to begin with.

Sadly, if i flash my phone, i can't use certain critical services, such as banking. Since my bank has only two locations--total--and is only open when i'm at work, that's a problem.
- Does your bank have a web version? If not, it's better to have a second phone with the official ROM.
  
  You can't do things like deposit checks with their web version. You also can't do any kind of deposit at their ATMs (...of which there are two, total). So I'm stuck using their app -or- taking time off work if I need to make a deposit.
  I need four phones at this point. One personal phone, one that i can use for shit like e-coupons and signing up for Ali Baba, one stock phone for secure banking, and a burner dumb phone that I can keep powered off and in a Ramsey Test RF-proof container until I really, really need it.
- Bank app is one thing holding me off from de-Googling. Can you use their browser site instead? In my case it's got pretty much everything I could do on the app, just a little slower.
  
  Browser won't allow deposits; that's app-only.
- Get a different bank? One with no locations preferably.
  
  AFAIK, you still run into the same problems with depositing a physical check though; I've never seen a website for a bank that allowed you to deposit a check using a photo of the check (although I did have a huge problem with Circle failing to allow me to create an account; turn out that it couldn't even progress without a web camera installed, but also didn't say that's why it was failing).

Install WhatsApp
That's when you lost me. Either teach your boomer relatives to use Signal, Matrix, or, at the very least, Telegram. Otherwise, let them reach to you via Facebook which you open only in web browser in containerized tab.
- Otherwise, let them reach to you via Facebook which you open only in web browser in containerized tab.
  I just hire a rando guy from a different country to become me on Facebook. Then I have them email screenshots to a different email. A separate person gets those emails and prints them out. They mail it to a PO box, which gets picked up by a whole different person. The handoff happens at 615pm at the subway on Broadway Ave.
  I open the handoff. It's pictures of my niece celebrating her 6th birthday. I give the guy a thumbs up. He takes that thumbs up, translates it back to paper and reverses the whole process.
  It takes 6 weeks for me to respond. But that's the price of security.
- If your friends and family are willing to use those apps over WhatsApp than they love you in a way I don't really believe is possible.
- I think you understimate boomer relatives intelligence =) Some simply can't be taught.
- What's wrong with WhatsApp? Honest question. They are E2E encrypted just like Signal, right? Better than Telegram, which isn't in normal chats.
  
  It's Facebook
  It didn't work on PC until very recently
  It's closed as fuck source. They went as far as sending cease and desists to third party client developers.
  It's tied down to phone number and shares it with everyone you talk to
  It's bolted down to gdrive
  Only boomers use it to send trashy GIFs to each other
  That's about all I have, but I've never actually used it. Maybe someone else could chime in with more reasons, but for me those are already enough to stay away from it as far as possible.
  
  No its not. Only your chat is E2E, other meta data is collected. Who you have saved in your contacts, who you are talking to. Your friends, family co-workers etc. They are all connected to you.
  So if only one of your friends were to voice their opinion about a controversial opinion (eg palestine, luigi etc) it will be linked to you.
- As someone that lives outside the US, this is not a real friction point.
  What do you think all the rest of the Boomers in the world do?

I would skip the WhatsApp. It’s trash. Fight me.
- I would skip the WhatsApp. It’s trash. Fight me hundreds of million people for whom WhatsApp is the de facto standard for instant messaging and calls.
  FTFY. I was in Bali this summer, everyone uses WhatsApp. Spent three days in an upscale hotel, on the check-in form they specifically ask for your WhatsApp number, which they use for everything: room service, special requests, restaurant and spa bookings, ...
  
  Imagine how effective an ad campaign would be just to remind people its owned by Facebook/Meta.
- Literally everyone is using it here.
- I'll fight with you.

This post makes me want to check out graphene OS when I get my new phone.
- You're gonna love it. I switched about 6 months ago, and it has been nothing but fantastic for me.
  
  Sorta feels like stepping back in time like 15 years with a phone that doesnt track you all day.

Whatsapp now refuses to work if your phone js rooted or you don't have Gapps.
- And I refuse to use WhatsApp, screw Facebook.
- Why would you use whatsapp? If you'e going to all this trouble to get Zuck and the Googleplex out of your phone, why go right back to them?
  
  Humans are social creatures, and sometimes the other creatures are idiots
  
  It better than RCS/SMS and Signal isn’t normie compatible
- It works for me in Graphene without google play services running
  
  How long have you been logged in? Now it pretends to send an SMS code, but I never received one.
- My phone's rooted and WhatsApp works fine, with it added to my MagiskHide list.
  I do have gapps though, so maybe that's it.
- Technically you can set up a bridge so you can use it through a normal xmpp or matrix client. It's a giant pain to set it up though.

My phone constantly complains that such-and-such won't work unless I enable Google Play Services. (and yet I still don't do that.)
- You can disable just these notifications by long clicking them and going into settings.

Alright fine, you've convinced me. I'll give LineageOS a try.

Literally me with Calyx OS
- Me with most cheap tech I buy. Got a Amazon TV for like $200, and immediately went to blocking it.

- Any boomer installing a custom rom is an OG.

more like dephone

This is great if all you want is a dumb phone. Or you're perfectly ok without all the things that make your phone smart. Check the balance on your banking app? Nope. Venmo a buddy because your buddy is spotting you? Nope. Chat with your friends or family where they are, not forcing them to use another app they don't want? Nope.
I think everyone should be picky with what they are comfortable using on their smart phones.
Unless you're some kind of tin foil hat person or have a specific phone use case or a criminal or terrorist, there isn't many reasons to root your phone.
- There are two kinds of people: criminals and really fucking stoopid, hypocrite, ignorant, criminals… Be the former. Only war is the class war. 🏴🏴🏴✊🏿

I know Lemmy hates Apple but
get new iPhone
plug into computer
click button
new phone exactly like old phone
- While that is true, that just means they already own your soul and don't need you to reiterate it with every new phone. The fresh setup is just as awful as on Android.
  
  …..or you saved a local encrypted backup.
  https://support.apple.com/en-us/108353
  I love when people call Apple out for their bullshit but this is just another case of automatic hate with no further attempts to understand the process.
  As far as companies go, Apple is pretty good about keeping your private data private. They don’t want the liability of leaking confidential data or to have the risk of creating a backdoor into their devices.
  If you want to make a local backup of your device and encrypt it with a password you define, you can. And you don’t even need a Mac to do it.
- You are missing the point of this post. They are criticizing the lengthy and difficult process of installing a custom ROM on android smartphones. iOS is not a custom ROM, and probably even more difficult (if not impossible) to install a custom ROM on ios
  
  The 4channer isn't installing a custom ROM though, they are just rooting the phone and removing things.
- Which is about the same result as not hitting decline and logging in to your Google account on an Android.
  If you give your phone maker power of attorney, they'll even set up a will for you! So ease of use!

If you're replacing the firmware, why are you replacing it with Android and not Linux?
- Because none of the software I want on my phone runs in Linux?
  
  Like what? Just curious.
- i wish it was viable. i spent two weeks with a pinephone and i ended up basically not using it. i want to try postmarketos someday but i dont have high hopes for it
  
  i've tried postmarketos on the pinephone and like, it's usable, but it's basically a strange featurephone.
  And that was with the most minimalist "DE" available, if you go with something that has an actual normal phone interface then it's dogshit slow
- Phone Linux just isn't there yet. Getting back to the FOSS Android is about as good as you can do right now.
  
  Since Android is based on Linux as well, honestly I think that's just as fine. As long as the software is FOSS, who cares whether it's Linux+Java or Linux+KDE?
  
  And, unfortunately, it won't be here. If you look at the supported devices section of the PMOS wiki, you'll see that the latest phones are based on SD845.
- It doesn't work yet. People have spent a lot of time to get it to work - in some cases some models of some manufacturers pretty much work.
  For the rest of us, it's not an option.