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Trudeau says not 'a snowball's chance' Canada would become part of U.S.

www.ctvnews.ca Trudeau says not 'a snowball's chance' Canada would become part of U.S.

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said 'there isn’t a snowball’s chance in hell that Canada would become part of the United States,' on the same day U.S. President-elect Donald Trump declared that he’s open to using 'economic force' to acquire Canada.

Trudeau says not 'a snowball's chance' Canada would become part of U.S.

Trump, kindly go fuck yourself.

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Trudeau says not 'a snowball's chance' Canada would become part of U.S.

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Trudeau says not 'a snowball's chance' Canada would become part of U.S.

www.ctvnews.ca /politics/trudeau-says-not-a-snowball-s-chance-canada-would-become-part-of-u-s-1.7167098

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I specifically immigrated to Canada from America. I refuse to go back.
- xmunk is ours now trump
- Same. This eyeballing of Canada has me a little stressed out that my life will go back to being absolute shit and I won't have healthcare or be happy.
- Well, consider what would happen to elections if we join the US. We'd certainly not join as one state and our parties won't just fold and disappear. The US political bus will swerve hard left by US standards with someone like AOC getting elected prez.
  
  Reminder that the Canadian populace is about 1/10 of America's.
  If in some freak alternate timeline where we actually to get absolved into the States, we 100% lose all autonomy as Canadians and our political preference would be thrown to the wayside and completely outvoted.
  
  Sir or Madam, I present to you, Puerto Rico, a territory with no federal representation. may I also present to you the United Fruit Company and Nestle. or at least their model.
  Canadians wouldn't have rights in the US, we'd live under a Quisling government for a hundred years or more while the territory is slowly "assimilated" into "American customs". while Corporations would pilfer the resources and workforce here at gunpoint. maybe after 80-100 years, a couple of small regions would be carved out into new states. but make no mistake, it'd be sold as a prosperous unificaiton, and the receipt would read "Military Occupation and bloody insurgency"
- xmunk's a keeper, Trump. I won't let you have them back!!!
- Jokes on you. Canada is still in America
- Jokes on you. Canada is still in America

I prefer Elizabeth May's invitation to California, Oregon and Washington.
USA can stay red, impoverished and ignorant. The adults in the room can get on with Nation Building.
- Maybe BC would go there to form Cascadia.
  ON and MB would join up with IL, MI, WL and MN.
  Maritime Provinces & NL would go with New England.
  Quebec would finally gain independence. And the territories would have to accept their new reality.
  AB can fuck off.
  I feel like I am forgetting one... whatever.
  
  As an Alberta I resent the accuracy of your assessment....
  
  I feel like I'm forgetting one... whatever.
  sad Saskatchewan noises
  (S'ok, I can't hear them either over the Scott Moe Killed a Woman Due to Recklessness)

Canada can come down here and burn down the White House. Again.
I'll provide the marshmallows.
- Pretty sure that was the British
  
  just looked it up, it was the british. in an operation led by (drumroll please): rear-admiral george cockburn. i didnt read further and now believe he incinerated the whitehouse with his power of dick rashes

The irony that if the reverse happened so much would actually improve for the ex-Americans, Canada, and most of the World.
- Only the northern border and the coasts. The rest is pretty unfixable.
  
  Utah can fuck off too. The mormons at least.
  That beautiful land is wasted on them.
  
  I volunteer Washington state as tribute!
  
  East Coast to a point, before you hit the Carolinas would be where I'd draw the line.

In the past, Trump has accused Canada of accepting a $100-billion subsidy from the United States. It's unclear exactly what he is referencing, but it may refer to the trade deficit between the two countries.
But on Tuesday, that purported $100-billion subsidy rose to $200 billion. CTVNews.ca has reached out to Trump's media office to clarify what the $200-billion figure represents.
"I love the Canadian people, they're great," he said. "We're spending hundreds of billions a year to take care of Canada. … We can't do it forever."
It sounds like what is going on here is, Trump is doing the normal Trump thing of starting with a conservative narrative (austerity, cutting off moochers) and brazenly lying about the state of the world to fill in the blanks of that narrative, knowing his supporters are happy to live in a fictional world, knowing he can't be called out on it in a way that will matter, knowing that it will get people to continue paying attention to him.
- I’m not gonna last another four years of this insanity…
  
  That's their goal, don't give up.
- It's fascinating rhetoric if he is talking about the trade deficit. It really speaks to his habitual refusal to pay for products and services rendered.
  He thinks paying for shit is for suckers.
- Last time they lived in a world of alternate facts, is it so hard to believe that they've evolved into alternate reality?
  They are looking more and more like Russia every day,
- The $200B, I assume, is a made up portion of US military budget "assigned for the protection of Canada". Perhaps it is the value of Canadian auto/timber/dairy industry, not just exports, but I doubt it. It is a made up number nonetheless.
  In other thread, while there is unanimity against 51st state idea, there is desperation among Canadians/politicians on staying the US empire's removed. He's made the exact same threats against Europe. NATO kicking out the US and also joining SCO is the right move to isolate the demonic evil US empire's reign of terror on the world and "its allies". Clinging to being US's colony by desperately increasing the level of sycophancy to its wars, is path to worse domination/subservience. The "freedom and democracy" rhetoric for subservience must stop immediately, because democracy is a complete joke. Israel first rule in US, and US first rule in colonies, is not functional politics.
  Canada joining BRICS and SCO as a military alliance with protection from North Korea, Russia, China would eliminate the "US burden from protecting Canada". Canada buying Michigan would protect auto industry. Offering Provincehood to any US states would allow those states to escape their crushing share of federal debt, and escape oppression that Trump wants to impose on them. World needs to move on from US empire, and shifting trade and military alliances would address Trump's complaint about Canadian exports, or make them realize that Canada is far more useful as a removed than independent.

“What do they want from me? I'm good-natured. I'm good-hearted. I'm good-looking. Every day, I'm out there trying to make the world safe. For ~~Germany~~ America. I don't want war. All I want is peace. Peace.
singing and dance number start]
A little piece of ~~Poland~~ Canada, A little piece of ~~France~~ Greenland, A little piece of …”
- I immediately went to "Mambo No 5."
  A little bit of Canada in my life
  A little bit of Mexico by my side
  A little bit of Greenland is all I need
  
  A little bit of Putin's what i see

If Canada were to be annexed into the United States, it would rank as the third most populous state, and the second largest in terms of GDP.
As it is the second largest country in the world, it's size would be unmatched by any U.S. state. In length and girth.

For now…
Once PP gets the reigns, Trump will just push him around like the spineless demagogue he is. …just a ‘lesser Trump’. Canada will be sold out by PP. Mark my words.

Trump needs to shut the fuck up.

"In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium. For these resources, China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada, and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarreling, bickering nation-states, bent on controlling the last remaining resources on Earth."
- "annex" implies they actually have a claim on Canada. It would be an invasion.
  And in such an invasion, you'd best believe that the European nations would love to come to Canada's aid because a) They will also be needing the resources, and b) They like us a hell of a lot more than they like the U.S.
  So no...a U.S invasion wouldn't be an annexation, it would be the U.S. getting it's shit kicked in by virtually every country in the world coming to Canada's defence.
  
  It'd be the US kicking everyone elses shit in, until the British and French let the nukes fly, I hate to break it to you but the US is multitudes more powerful than the rest of NATO, NATO can still burn the US, but they'll burn with it. Same goes for Russia.
  conventionally, the US is the world hegemon as far as naval and air power goes, they are unbeatable.
  what the US doesn't have the stomach for , is occupation. they were defeated by mountain men with 70 year old Kalashnikovs on the other side of the world, who were so culturally different from them they might as well have been aliens, Just imagine what it'd be like against an enemy on your doorstep that looks and talks just like you. that you cant tell from your own. Wait, you dont' even need to imagine, because it already happened, Look at how Russia's occupation was torn apart by the Ukrainian resistance. The only way they ever secure land is by bombing it to dust and moving in.
  and unlike Russia, America has a formidable faction within its own borders who would revolt and start a civil war if the Trump/MAGA administration became hostile to America's friends and allies.
  
  Europe would definitely not come to our aid. There's nothing to gain, and everything to lose. Plus they barely came to the aid of a country being invaded in their own back yard. If they fear provoking Russia's ire, they wouldn't touch the US with a ten thousand foot pole.
  Even if they did declare war against the US, it wouldn't tip the balance of power.
  
  Alternative timeline...
  Many European nations want to fight to defend Canada but can not unite in this purpose as many nations consider how it will benefit them to come out having supported the winning side. Others because they don't want to fight against a nation with such a powerful military.
  During the ongoing debate on what to do, America completes its invasion of Canada and declares it an Annexation and gives anyone who objects to this in Canada the old American highschool treatment.
- "Is it supposed to be bigger than your thumb, or mine..?"
- Well, the writing of this world's lore is getting as shitty as fallouts. So. tracks.

All I can say is freedom isn't free. Maybe that's something Canadians need to learn, I don't know - I don't really want to assume. But I got a cascadian flag tattoo on my left arm like a soldier's patch for a reason. I've been thinking in neomedieval military terms since I was a teenager at an alternative high school in the late 2000s.
Freedom needs to be constantly defended. If you can't give up any kind of tribute to a governing authority or series of governing authorities to defend it for you or don't find any existing entity as authentically defending it then you frankly have to defend it yourself. Same principle for arguing in favor of participatory democracy - if you don't participate in democracy in some meaningful way you are bound to lose it.

Try as he may, Herr Drumpf will have to pry the maple syrup from my cold, dead hand.

Canada will stay the way it is.

Reminder: Canadians Change When they Hear the Word “War”

Would be curious and sad if the new premiere campaigned on a position of strength and willingness to defy the orange fuhrer, only to end up grovelling like all those before him.

with the foreign interference report in the news in canada, canadians need to be reminded that america is also foreign actor that intereferes with our country's affairs. They are just as Malicious as the Indians, Chinese and Russians. At least the intereference that comes from the EU is still in our own interests, unlike the robbers, theives, killers, and hopeful Suzerian's of the others

Its almost as if nobody realised decades ago that putting all our eggs in one super nation state basket for world protection, a super nation that had been known to have Hollywood politics corrupt to its core, was a bad, bad idea...

Not a snowballs chance in... in.... Canada?
Those are actually decent odds.

Shouldnt even dignify the orange moron with an answer

Trump must have visited bumfuck nowhere Alberta and extrapolated that to the rest of the country

Well yeah, that was obvious from the start.

Trump lied about anything and everything. It's impossible to call him out on any of it because he is so good at creating these bullshit headlines. Inflation, Ukraine, healthcare, abortion, doesn't matter, if he needed to say something in the campaign to win he said it.
Now in a short time, we will know what he is actually up to, but for now, he generate so much bullshit that becomes a cls command. The media, headlines, social, all his bullshit. Everything he said before, cleared off the screen (front page).
The man is an literal technocrat with extreme skill: Techno: skill Crat: power
He has everyone wrapped around his finger. Well played Mofo.

Trump is a total fuckwit. No way we’re becoming American. I kindly invite any Canadians who want to be American to GTFO.

- CTV news is part of bell Canada, it's not government funded.
  
  Well thats worse
  Edit: you do see how that's worse, right?
  
  Au contraire, mon ami. BCE is one of very few (4), select, federally enforced, communications oligarchies.
  Through their spuriously "independent" federal regulatory arm (CRTC), and their federally funded enforcement arm (CITT), BCE has enjoyed government funding and protections for over a century.
  Saying BCE is somehow NOT government supported naïve at best. It is a facile and superficial assessment of a deeply embedded federally funded entity.
  Truly a shallow read, there, BlameThePeacock.
- What are we smoking that CTV is government-funded? Or is it lack of reading past the title? Because last I checked Bell Media isn't the Canadian government.
- What news websites would you recommend for Canadian news that have not received government funding?

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