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We only have to eat genocide if we choose not to send the food back
What was your plan to send the food back and ensure that the genocide buffet wasn't returned in response, again? Was it "We're going to say 'no' very firmly despite 48 of the 100 people at this table eagerly voting for the genocide buffet"?
Frankly i'm hoping the chef cares enough about that possibility that he serves up something different
I really think it's the customers basic obligation to at least say 'whatever the chef recommends BUT ABSOLUTELY NO GENOCIDE'
If you're not at least saying that idk what to tell you, you're probably gonna get genocide
Frankly i’m hoping the chef cares enough about that possibility that he serves up something different
Pretty big hope to lay on a chef who knows that a little genocide is already popular with a significant portion of the 52 other people on the table.
Pretty long odds to make on the lives of millions of people.
I really think it’s the customers basic obligation to at least say ‘whatever the chef recommends BUT ABSOLUTELY NO GENOCIDE’
We absolutely should say that. But when the chef comes out, and if it's a genocide sandwich, and the only other option if we send it back is that the chef opens up the genocide buffet for the the 48 customers at the table drooling at the prospect...
You have to know when to bite the bullet.
If you’re not at least saying that idk what to tell you, you’re probably gonna get genocide
Man, I'm sittin' here saying that Israel is committing one of the greatest crimes of the 21st century. I've called it a genocide, I've said even passive support of it is a stain on America's collective soul, I've advocating for boycotts, removal of ALL aid, just about everything short of a no-fly zone over the AO - and fucking honestly, if the ongoing conflict in Ukraine wasn't a current concern, I'd be advocating for that too.
But when it comes down to it, if my choices are 'less genocide' or 'more genocide', I'm not going to tell anyone voting for 'more genocide' that their choice is OK and I understand and forgive them for sending me and my loved ones to the camps. Like, maybe if it was a question of "It's you and your's, or me and mine", I could understand and forgive that, but it's not. Trump's genocide here and in Ukraine will not alleviate the Palestinian genocide; he will, in fact, intensify it. There's no excuse. And I'm not going to pretend there is.
Can I just say I love your posts and you're saying everything people like me want to but like 3x more clearly
Thank you! Mostly I'm just trying to express my frustration in a way that is coherent and (hopefully) in some way productive.
Well, you're doing an excellent job at it 🫡
Man, I’m sittin’ here saying that Israel is committing one of the greatest crimes of the 21st century. I’ve called it a genocide, I’ve said even passive support of it is a stain on America’s collective soul, I’ve advocating for boycotts, removal of ALL aid, just about everything short of a no-fly zone over the AO - and fucking honestly, if the ongoing conflict in Ukraine wasn’t a current concern, I’d be advocating for that too.
and then you're saying "but i'll fucking DEVOUR that genocide if you serve it up to me anyway, and i'll get all my friends to commit to eating it too"
But when it comes down to it
Woops, you've already accepted defeat to genocide there. Even your performative outrage isn't all that strong, if you're eager to move past the choice Biden has to not serve it to you.
and then you’re saying “but i’ll fucking DEVOUR that genocide if you serve it up to me anyway, and i’ll get all my friends to commit to eating it too”
Because the alternative is the genocide buffet. Have you already forgotten that?
Woops, you’ve already accepted defeat to genocide there. Even your performative outrage isn’t all that strong, if you’re eager to move past the choice Biden has to not serve it to you.
Cool, instead the backup chef comes out. It's Trump. Genocide buffet, including the sandwich we rejected. So glad that we've made things worse for no gain. Great job, us. Maybe a little circlejerk before we're taken out and executed will lift our spirits.
Cool, instead the backup chef comes out
Then let's fucking storm the kitchen then? idk why you're so eager to dismiss doing literally anything else before being made to eat the genocide. All i'm doing is screaming "I DON'T WANT TO EAT GENOCIDE! LET'S GET HIM TO CHANGE THE MENU A BIT", and you're like 'lol nah man, you're embarrassing yourself, better to just get everyone to calm down and get ready to eat it'
At least i'm fighting it a little, jesus (ha)
Then let’s fucking storm the kitchen then?
Are you actually ready to do that?
Obviously you don't have to answer, but if you are not ready to do that, or you think that it will end in failure, then harm reduction is the only moral choice.
If you're ready to fight and die for a better world, if you think peace has run its course, if you think only political violence can resolve the issue and that the resulting death toll will be less horrific than the currently proposed one, then by all means. But if you are not ready - if you think the polity is not ready, if you think there are other, preferable routes to explore, if you think the death and suffering will be worse than either of the current options - you must sit down and bite the bullet.
I'm not of the opinion that a long and bloody civil war which has a high chance of resulting in one or several fascist states in the former USA arising while our allies themselves struggle with emerging far-right movements inspired by the violence in the USA and the provocation of far-right states in the world is worth me expressing moral disgust with support of a genocidal state at this point in time. The calculus of suffering there is horrendously lopsided, and not in favor of starting a civil war. If it's Biden, complete with support of a genocide, or civil war, I pick Biden as the choice which causes the least human suffering.