What animated film or tv show is this?
For me the first thing that comes to mind is Tales from Earthsea. I don't think it's excellent or anything and has plenty of problems but people act like it killed their dog. While it has its problems that have been covered extensively, I think it has a beautiful atmosphere and art.
IMO it would have been better received if it wasn't advertised as an Earthsea adaptation and was just its own thing.
Kung Pow is a cinematic triumph
Edit: there's an animated cow so it counts
It may have a critical rating of 13% but it's audience rating is 69%.
Nice.
Yeah, but the audience is allowed to be high while watching.
"THAT'S A LOTTA NUTS!"
Let me know if you see s RadioShack.
Na na na na na neo, na na na na na na na sporin.
Obligatory Weeeeoooweeeeoooweeee
I remember watching it in theaters. I laughed my ass off the first 30 minutes or so and my face hurt from it. Then the shtick started to get old.
The real masterpiece is the movie that all of the footage is from, "Master of the Flying Guillotine"
Its far more entertaining and shockingly influential.
Rat Race is one of the funniest movies of all time, I didn't care what the ratings say.
Oh wow, it got bad ratings? 100% agree with you. Love that movie.
That's one of those movies that's better than it has any right to be. Remake "It's a mad mad mad mad world", and now we have Smashmouth? Nah.
Same with "Hot Tub Time Machine". Should be awful, is actually good.
Sometimes the reasons critics think movies are bad are actually features, not bugs.
Oooh cock doggies!
Here's the flipside of this phenomenon:
The Little Mermaid (2023)
Absolutely awful, atrocious, lazy cinema. It had a 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. When they do the whole under the sea scene, none of the sounds align with anything happening on screen. The plot was garbo. They've got a whole song dedicated to the cruelty of eating fish as if fish never eat any fish, and then that's still not as bad as the fucking "scuttlebutt" song.
Why did he have all of those daughters from around the world and no wife 🤔
Wait, really? I thought it was pretty universally hated. I wonder if critics gave it good scores for fear of being lumped in with the idiots who were pissed with Ariel being played by a black woman.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills regarding The Fifth Element for this exact same phenomena. I watched it for the first time a few years back and it...just isn't good? But people absolutely rave about it. I don't know if I'm missing something or if people are just too blinded by nostalgia glasses. But the CGI doesn't hold up, I found all the characters annoying, and the plot felt really basic and random. Someone's probably mailing me anthrax now just for saying this.
Counterpoint, nobody watched it for the CGI. The characters only seem annoying now because they were over the top then and moved the goal posts for that over the course of a generation of being repeatedly aired on broadcast television and cable. The plot seems basic now because so many sci-fi movies afterwards we're influenced in some way by it. The 5th Element is a fun bombastic sci-fi romp and you're taking it way to seriously to enjoy it the way everyone that does enjoy it will do. But, you do you. I'm not telling you you're wrong. Sometimes entertainment endeavors fail us, sometimes we fail to enjoy entertainment on its terms because of our predispositions.
Ah, that's one of my favorites. It's just so sincere and fun. It's definitely unrefined, like a student film that somehow got a massive budget, but that is part of its charm.
Someone's probably mailing me anthrax now just for saying this.
Nah. Cuz we don't have your address.
Yeah, I can see how watching The Fifth Element now compared to 1997 would be a pretty bad experience. At the time a lot of the concepts in the film were new and edgy to the wider audience, but now that we've got the internet we see way more obscene stuff on the daily.
It's kind of like how the Rocky Horror Picture Show was a musical about being deathly afraid of satanist transvestites in 1973, but nowadays it plays off as more of a parody.
What an awful day to be literate... Don't worry I'd never mail anybody anything.
Edit: JK obviously, people like different things.
Titan AE is at 61% on RT, but I fucking love it.
For me, Titan AE was the first Mandela effect. I clearly remember teaser trailers years before its release with a totally different art style. It looked like really good anime. Then once it dropped it was this weird amalgamation of Disney's Pocahontas and Fox The Simpsons. Still feels like a fever dream.
As I understand it, a couple hundred staff were laid off at the beginning of its final year of production. So a lot of the movie got outsourced instead of made by the people who started the film and did the trailers. Also, more than half the budget was spent before it went into full production. This may partially account for that bizarre discrepancy we had as kids looking at the trailer then seeing the full film.
That's not the mandala effect of Titan AE. The Mandela effect from that movie is that we all remember that Creed song being in the film but it wasn't.
Yep. That was such a good movie. I think that was my point of transition from happy all the time kids movies to serious stuff. I need to watch it again.
Really? That's a classic.
Aw man, I rewatched that for the first time in a long time a while ago and it did not hold up nearly as well as I was hoping. I was absolutely crushed.
I liked Thor Love and Thunder, something I've been clowned on for every time I say it lol. I get why a lot of people hate it but it was enjoyable to me.
It's a story about fatherhood. I like stories about fatherhood. God Of War is pretty great. It's also a story about Thor becoming worthy not just to be the prince of Asgard, but its king, by exploring his tender side. I guess a lot of people complained that Thor used the Thorforce to give other people the power of Thor, but that's literally what Odin did in the first movie back when it was called the Odinforce. It symbolises that Thor has finally become the equal of his father, following in his footsteps while learning from his mistakes. Thor is finally ready to stop being someone's son and to finally grow up, while at the same time becoming somebody's father. Thor's defeat of the god slayer not through violence but through nurturing empathy, is a symbolic victory over the flaws of his father, representing that Thor will be a better god and a better king.
I see Thor 4 as a shining example of positive masculinity. It directly answers the question: "What is a man, if a woman becomes his equal?" The answer is "himself." And as cheesy as that may be, it's true.
The problem TL&T has is that it's in the MCU. Had it been a solo movie with no relation to anything else it would be better received... as a comedy.
Rotten tomatoes is rotten itself. Half the professional critics there have been bought and paid for. So many movies have a critics score of 20 and an audience score of 90, or vice versa. It's just a sad place, don't go there
What do you prefer instead?
Why do you need anyone or any site telling you what you like and what not? Just watch the movies. Be your own judge and executioner.
I have a letterboxed acc, just for tracking purposes. Most reviews on letterboxd are reddit style “funny” “jokes”, so no point in reading those either. Just go by genre, director, etc. and have fun. I do sometimes check the lists on there tho.
Reddit LMAO
I just watch content creators or reviewers whose taste matches with mine and check their recommendations first. Otherwise check 2 or 3 positive and negative reviews in imdb, rt, Google. You can roughly tell who are shills, trolls or giving valid criticisms.
I guess IMDb is still reasonably good, though I might be mistaken
My general personal rule is "If I'm entertained then it's good" hmrm I don't care what anybody says.
Obviously nothing wrong with that but I personally think it's important to distinguish between "It's good because it's a bunch of moving pixels and it's not terrible, and I'm lazy and have nothing else to do" and "it's so good I thought about it for weeks after watching it"
I would call the first example mediocre at best even if I technically enjoyed watching it that time.
well in both cases, it affected me positively right?
i want a smart thinking movie, after finishing it i still think of it days or weeks after. I got what I want.
i'm bored,i want a dumb fun flick, after watching it, gosh time flew by and i was surprised i didn't notice the time fly by. also i was entertained. I got what i want.
i want something to make me laugh, i watch a move and laughed. i got what i want.
all of these are good to me, i dont care if its dumb or not an artsy fartsy movie, i dont care if it's a masterpiece. the most important thing is i got what i want. and that to me is good.
This is how I feel about lots of Adam Sandler films.
Not animated, but since you've hit the frontpage and everyone else seems to be ignoring that...
1994's Street Fighter. It's terrible, but Raul Julia hams his way out of the screen for you. It's Street Fighter: The Pantomime, and it's glorious.
Between that, Tim Curry in The Three Musketeers, and Alan Rickman in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, I can't decide which of them was best at saving a mediocre cocaine fuelled movie by playing a panto villain in the midst of undeserved po-faced seriousness.
Robin hood was a massive movie in my childhood. The kid across the road had the whole set of toys, didn't even know they were just.unsold star wars figures
Not animated, but since you’ve hit the frontpage and everyone else seems to be ignoring that…
Haha yeah. I initially thought about doing something about it but by the time I noticed, there was already a decent amount of discussion happening so I left it. And then it blew up like crazy while I was asleep.
The number of times I've watched a highly rated movie only to find it's not good. cough oppenheimer cough
watching oppenheimer felt like watching a 3 hour compilation of trailers for oppenheimer. everything was so dramatic, there was no downtime, and they always had some kind of music playing. it felt like every scene wasn’t allowed to last more than 5 minutes
I really enjoyed Oppenheimer and I'd say it's highly rated because it is good and lots of people enjoyed it, however nothing can please everyone and there's nothing wrong with that. You not enjoying the popular thing doesn't make it bad.
Nah, if I don't like it then it isn't good. /s
Loved RDJ in it though
Agree with you on that. Many of the "oscar bait" movies are not that great for just watching. For instance, "the Revenant" was not a great picture in my opinion.
What probably elevates them is watching for all the minutiae in the acting and really focussing on the actors instead of the greater picture. However, I think great moments have to be earned through screemwriting. A great example is "the Wire". Lives caught short, loves truly lost, and a realisation you are just part of a greater machine. These are all earned moments of pure emotion that films often do not get because of their tight focus. I do not mean to encourage film makers to lengthen their movies, please for the love of god, your movies are lengthy enough.
Reviews after the 2010s or so get increasingly more untrustworthy, because studios realized that box office returns rely on these ratings now. So now paid reviews and bot ratings become much more important for a newly released movie.
Another prime example: the newer avatar has a higher rating than the first.
That's why i like to depend on reddit for reviews because you can see different opinions of people and see how many agree with them , look at the down votes which bots and shills do tend to get etc. granted it may not be dependable soon the way bots are growing and i'm hoping lemmy will be big enough by then as its a lot more hard for bots to get in here and continue to exist than on reddit due to the filling an application and better moderation etc.
Anything fourth wave Marvel, people were done after infinity wars and just shit on anything since because it's too much nerddom on their systems. I still loved she-hulk but people didn't.
She-Hulk was fun for me, but not amazing or anything. Same with Hawkeye. Ms Marvel was just too Gen Z for my millennial ass. Loki was amazing and I'm interested in where Moon Knight is going. Wandavision managed to have almost no rewatch value and Mulitverse of Madness was all over the place. Overall, I feel like the current wave just lacks direction. It's theoretically building to Kang as the new villain, but it doesn't really feel like it's actually going anywhere and they're still introducing new lead characters, so there hasn't been much teaming up or plot convergence. There's been a lot of stuff with a lot of new and returning characters, but it doesn't feel like we're anywhere close to a new Avengers movie.
Secret Invasion had me close to hanging up my MCU fan hat. The Marvels is the first movie I didn't catch in the theater, but then I watched it on streaming and it really reminded me why I love the franchise so much. It's got its pacing issues and the first 30 minutes are clearly the swiss cheese left after some heavy revisions, but it's just so fucking fun, and Iman Vellani is goddamn delightful.
X-Men '97 manages to hit all the good nostalgia notes from the old TV series while getting me excited for what comes next, and I'm going back and re-watching Agents of SHIELD now. I thought I remembered Season 1 being kinda humdrum before the Hydra twist, but it's fun seeing all of Ward's plot beats knowing what is coming.
This was Sucker Punch for me
I still can't tell if Sucker Punch is an ingenious retelling of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest or an excuse to film scantily clad women while pretending you have something serious to say, but it's certainly fun to watch.
Tbh, from all the shit Snyder has released since. It's mostly just spectacle for spectacles sake, but I had fun watching it, and the story inside a story inside a story aspect was fun
From the top of my head:
Time Trap
Dalíland
The American
I love that movie. =\
We're back: a dinosaur story
Rock-a-doodle
The Pagemaster
Once upon a forest
Aladdin 2 and 3
Jetsons: The Movie
I'm probably overrating these because I saw them as a kid.
I never saw The Pagemaster as a kid and my wife introduced me to it at 32 years old. It holds up!
I had confusing feelings when I saw “We’re Back” in theatres.
Then confusing feelings about Tails
Then confusing feelings about Robin Hood and Maid Marian
…oh no
I enjoyed We're Back, but it was weirdly dark, and I am positive it wouldn't age well if I rewatched today.
I'm sure the plot is a mess but I dug what it was going for.
Hehe yeah, a little worried about watching rock-a-doodle now as an adult, it was great when I was a kid. We knew enough french to get the name pun (chant eclair = sing clearly) at the time and I guess that helped it feel a little more special for us. Not sure if the movie would still hold up from what I remember of it.
The Aladdin live action remake was shat on mercilessly by the internet, but I thought it was a fun, true to the spirit of the original while introducing a few new ideas to keep it interesting, and (imo very respectfully) stayed out of Rob William's lane by not trying to recreate his genie. And Will Smith did a great job with his version.
/shrug
I didn't really follow the online conversations around the movie, but I did watch it and it's not entirely that long ago since I watched the animated movie either. If I was to try to judge the movie without the context of the orighinal, I'd say it was fine, nothing about it was terrible but I also didn't find anything about it particularly good or memorable. I think Will Smith did a fine job and I don't think he'd be anywhere near the top of the list of what I would criticise about the movie in that case.
But I do think context matters, and in context I think it comes out looking pretty poor. Genie as written for the live action movie pales in comparison to the animated one. In terms of craft I think the live action one feels like a soulless board-room directed husk, and I really miss the feeling of a creative voice in the whole thing.
If you're going to remake something, I it should be better, or enough of a reinterpretation to be considered distinctly different.
I am glad others liked it, but if I someone asked me which they should watch I would tell them the original animated movie because I think it is a better piece of entertainment, and that makes the modern one feel like an absolute waste of time, money, skills and effort that could have been spent so much better.
I feel this same way about most the Disney live action remakes. I thought they were enjoyable blasts from the past (for me) but the internet and critics absolutely hated them which was puzzling. I guess I also have felt the same way about remakes where the actor is a different race than the original lore... Who cares?
"Oh noes, Snow White is no longer a 'damsel in distress' being kissed by a random dude while she is... checks notes... Unconscious!?!? AND the actress is Hispanic???? This ruins my life" - literally conservatives so much so that Disney cancelled it.
Some people's kids smhmh
We LOVED this film, and even convinced our local cinema to have a sing along one night.
The first time we watched it we had to leave the cinema early due to a tornado warning. But we were so pleasantly surprised by what we saw (expected trash after those awful trailers) that we went again. And then again.
I agree, but the way they handled Jasmine was pretty sloppy. She had a whole song about not being silenced, which all happened inside her head and she proceeded to have no further impact on the plot.
My rule is that if the critic score is too high I won't like it, and the audience score needs to be higher than the critic score and we have a banger on our hands
You just remind me I should check Tales from Earthsea.
By the way, congrats for this post, getting nice traction!
I love Van Wilder. The soundtrack is top-notch, it has superstar talent, and quite frankly, it's basically Deadpool without the superhero stuff. Last I checked it was below 20% on RT.
It's what? That's an all-time great comedy that I still quote. I tell people that worrying is like a rocking chair unironically.
Write that down.
"write that down"
That is not a bong. That is for my schlong!
Not animated, but trust me, if you'd actually watched Manos: The Hands of Fate, you would not have enjoyed it in any capacity.
Even in the MST3k episode, it was an ordeal.
It is truly amazing how they managed to make an hour-and-ten-minutes feel like three hours. I (barely) finished watching it, and couldn't believe how little time had actually passed.
Manos initially took me a few times to get through (even with MST3K), but now when I randomly run across it on the dumb industries twitch stream or the MST3K YouTube/twitch streams I get a little excited. It really doesn't make my "skin crawl" like it used to, but it's still terrible.
I've seen it with dumb industries, rifftrax, and MST3K.
As it happens, I just discovered this nice chap: https://youtube.com/@CinemaWins "Because liking things is more fun than not liking things."
Horror movies is a completely different scale. Subtract 2 for horror, just because. Witch sounds like a good horror title.
Subtract 2 for Horror
The long awaited sequel to Dial M for Murder.
Which, unfortunately, wasn't the prequel to V for Vendetta
Are we talking about the Ghibli Earthsea movie? I actually enjoyed it, even though I read the books when I was younger. It was an interesting way to tell a large part of the story and doesn't deserve the hate it gets IMO. But it's also not an amazing adaptation either, it's in a weird spot.
Yes, I was referring to the Ghibli movie.
This was The Emoji Movie for my kids. I refused to watch it because of obvious reasons, but they insisted and totally liked it. I finally gave it a watch and... It was totally fine. Pleasant at times, even.
Are you my friend? I've had to stop taking any of his movie or TV show recommendations without extra verification. He thinks that everything he watches is great. I kinda envy how he can enjoy literally any TV show or movie.
Tales From Earthsea wasn't even the worst Ghibli movie. That title belongs to Ocean Waves.
Exactly the same, I still love Tales of Earthsea. It has its issues compared to the book, but it's still great. My conspiracy theory is that it's a plot by Hayao Miyazaki fans to discredit his son since the father didn't like it.
I really liked Under Ninja recently. Everyone's been shitting on the adaptation because it looks weird, telling to read the manga, but the manga is just as weird. The adaptation is really keeping the same vibe.
I like the Vin Diesel film xXx. It's loud, dumb, and nothing like what I usually enjoy, but somehow it manages to scratch enough mental itches that I'll watch the whole thing through every few years.
Having different tastes than professional tv & movie critics isn’t a sin.
If you like something that Rotty Ts hates, that’s fine. If you despise something they adore, that’s fine too. It’s not like you’re being mean to someone’s puppy.
Well they were wrong. It was a pretty good movie.
As a general rule for Rotten Tomatoes I completely ignore the Critic eating and audience score I only pay attention if it's less than 20 percent. Seems to have served me well.
Spider-Man: Unlimited.
I actually enjoyed it, and I'm not even a furry...
I wish that didn't get axed so soon. They even had a comic run for it that only got 6 issues. It was finally a fresh take on Spiderman after the clone saga had everyone exhausted.
Wait people thought this was bad? I haven't seen since I was a kid, so my memories are rose tinted
Cars 2 I guess. I don't love it, but it's decent and fun.
This has never happened to me because my opinions are 100% conventional.
If they are incapable of seeing the beauty that is right in front of them, then pity them.
Social media algorithms & enshittification really are destroying everything online, with their "engagement statistics" that predate upon hate & fear to drive continual profits. Trash talk sells, e.g. on X or Reddit, hence people use it, and then spread it to other platforms.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0216035/
The night of the headless horseman. It's got some great voice actors and storytelling but it also has that rubbery shiny early CG that I think a lot of people can't get past.
Oh that's interesting. The movie is on youtube and skimming through it I can get why the artstyle would be off-putting. But it does look interesting and I might check it out. Thanks for bringing it up.
It's not quite Foodfight! level jank, but definitely in the realms of a PS2 game cutscene. Good cast though.
Bunraku. Fun and stylistic, albeit a little cheesy. 18% tomatometer and 49% audience score. I was devastated 😔
I loved Bunraku!
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Welcome to our apparently very small club! There are snacks in the lobby and be sure to ignore Jean. He can be a lot at first, but he means well.
To be fair, sometimes we get lucky enough to get stuff made by Autistic artists for us Autistic people and it doesn't do well in the general audience, but we absolutely love it. Our tastes in some things are just a little different. Absurdist comedy, or left-field mysteries... and the emotional writing or acting might feel completely off for normal people, but we won't notice it. We like normal people stuff too, but I got a special place in my heart for stuff that was clearly made by another Autistic person.
I definitely struggle to enjoy a lot of mainstream movies / TV. Never really considered there'd be stuff made by autistic people, for autistic people, but it makes complete sense. Do you have any examples?
I don't think anything officially calls itself as such. But all the zany parody comedies are good examples. Stuff like blazing saddles, hot shots, airplane.. normal people like them ok, but they play especially well to us. Pretty much anything with leslie nielson as lead. Mr. Bean/rowan atkinson stuff tends to follow that same trend. Probably the most openly Autistic tv show would be rick and morty. Most people can't get past how annoying the characters are, I didn't even know they were annoying... lol.
Most older stuff like this came out before these people knew what Autism even was, or considered they might have/be it. But now it's more likely to be an open secret, or occasionally even widely known in some cases. For music, saVant is an autistic artist that in my experience is not well liked by normal people, but is some of my favourite music.
As with most other stuff, personal taste is still more important than the line between Autistic/non-autistic, but there are strong correlations. Especially if the artist didn't know they were Autistic. They might have inadvertantly done things in a way that feels more comfortable to us, and it didn't bother their editor enough for them to recommend changing it. Or they may have been given more freedom and as a result just naturally gravitated towards stuff that is more important to us, and away from things that would be more important to a general audience.
I liked the new Ghostbusters film, because it leans heavily on lore. I think it got review bombed for being woke
The live-action "adaptation" of Death Note wasn't terrible. Calling it an adaptation is a bit generous (more like a separate story in a similar universe) and it nowhere near lives up the source material. But it was alright - seems mostly just hated because of people's expectations of what it claimed to be an adaptation. In general, media that differs significantly from the source material (even if the source material didn't exist at the time, like with Fullmetal Alchemist) gets more hate than it deserves.
Black Bullet seems to have some really negative opinions, but I'm a fan of that genre of shows like Tokyo Ghoul where main characters are some sort of social pariah because of non-human features (guess I find them relatable).
Non-animated, but "In Time" 2011 was a movie I enjoyed quite a bit, but found out later that people generally have a slightly negative view of it I think.
I like spy/intrigue movies.
Two recent ones that died at the box office were Mile 22 and The Rhythm Section.
Both are worth a look imho.
Love The Last Airbender movie and people basically think I'm trolling when I share that. I've watched it multiple times, I love it, I like it better than the Netflix series even. One of my all time favorite movies.
Even taking the premise of this thread, I still think you're trolling. I just can't comprehend this point of view
It's so irritating how people try to tell me my opinion on this movie is wrong. Yes, I'm absolutely completely serious, and I know other people that enjoy it too.
Try to spend time off the Internet hivemind and realize that most people's opinions are themselves actually viral.
I also unironically love Forspoken and count it among the best games I've ever played. I think it's not even close to as bad as people claim and the opinion that it's bad it's viral and mited in social momentum.
I form my own, independent ideas on things I like and typically disregard the opinions of others. I am not trolling, I love the movie, it's one of my favorites.
How dare someone vote me down for expressing my opinions.