With discord planning to show ads, how can the fediverse/lemmy benefit from another proprietary program making itself worse? (Like it was with reddit)
With discord planning to show ads, how can the fediverse/lemmy benefit from another proprietary program making itself worse? (Like it was with reddit)
Do you think that the fediverse has something to gain with the enshitfication of discord? Are there voice chat programs in the fediverse that can benefit from it?
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Why not promote matrix as a substitute?
It's unfortunately barely usable, the responsiveness and features of discord are unmatched, in my opinion
It is not perfect, but it has been usable for quite a while. It's clocking already at tens of millions of active users per month, so it's not like all these people are just suffering around and not chatting and talking with their groups.
Also, unlike Reddit, it does not need to have a strong migration from all the long tail of niche communities. There are bridges already, so even if just, e.g, 5% of the discord base moves to it, it will be already enough to jumpstart a significant shift.
I would love an alternative that works just as seemlessly yeah!
The strength of Discord is its numerous partnerships with YouTube, Twitch, Patreon etc, making it trivial to gather paying supporters around a streamer or a video creator, attributing roles and perks automatically. I manage the patron community of a Minecraft gamer on YouTube and automatically sync the access to a community Minecraft server for people with a certain pledge on third part platforms, this would never work in the open source world, unfortunately
Do you mean exclusive/tiered access to certain rooms only for subscribers?
If you are telling me that such a thing doesn't exist for Matrix already, you just gave me a perfect thing to offer on communick
That's very cool I'll check it out :)
I don’t know about other platforms, but YouTube membership is totally implementable on any other platform.
The workflow anyone need to implement is the same flow Discord has implemented:
- Perform OAuth to get the user’s own channel using the
minefilter on channels.list end point. This way the service can know SomeOneWatching is owner of channel UC1234ABCD - Perform OAuth to get the host’s members on a fixed interval to get a list of all members, and match it against all known users’ channel IDs or target individual user like SomeOneWatching’s UC1234ABCD channel ID as part of
filterByMemberChannelIdon the same members.list end point. - Upgrade users’ groups on the service to reflect membership accordingly, no direct YouTube partnership required.
- Revisit the same flow in 2 regularly to downgrade when memberships are not renewed; beyond the pubsubhubbub which notifies subscription content updates (new uploads/deletions) on a subscribed channel, YouTube does not have a push notification for automatic updates. This is why there’s always a slight delay when membership status changes.
Source: I’ve worked in YouTube adjacent company using all of their public and several proprietary APIs for around 10 years now. I’m fairly familiar with their API offerings.
That's good to know, i thought it was be some kind of exclusive deal between the two entities.
Of course, convincing people to get off Discord when almost everyone already have an account, a desktop app and a phone app ready to go sounds like a hurdle, but with time and enough enshittification™ anything is possible!
- Perform OAuth to get the user’s own channel using the
How do the bridges work? Do they need to be set up by the community, or do they just work?
They need to be setup by the homeserver, i.e by the admin of the "instance".
Thanks 🙂
I wouldn't say barely usable, but it does have a long way to go before it could be a replacement for discord, that's true
No screen sharing or even video calls iirc. Soo many people use Discord to watch stuff with their friends or to play games with their friends. Matrix is more of a irc replacement imo it doesnt have any gaming focused features and the Forums on discord are nice too
Matrix video call support is still in beta IIRC? https://call.element.io/
Works with Jitsi just fine...
Good to know!
just came out of beta afaik
I haven't tried matrix yet. What's a good instance I can create my community on and bridge with my discord? For gaming communities.
For Discord like communities, I'd also suggest using Element as the Matrix client. It's pretty similar to Discord. Also, you'll need support for "spaces", which are like Discord servers. Rooms = channels
You can try out matrix.org and can always move it later
I guess, but I don't really want to contribute to the centralization all on the biggest instance
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Yeah, there are some glaring issues with account and content deletion. Lemmy too, for that matter. If I delete something, I don't want it to be just slightly obscured and easily recovered, I want it to be erased, unseeable forever. But that aspect of privacy doesn't count in the FOSS circle jerk hive mind. "Keeping illegal revenge porn online forever is worth it so long as they don't tell advertisers what colour I like".
Nothing you send out to the internet can be deleted.
Yes, never put anything online that you might ever want to remove.
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