i don’t personally love seeing antinatalism stuff on my feed especially since it tends to attract really nasty proto-eugenics types
can we not, or at the bare minimum mark this nsfw?
I don't want to continue my bloodline because of looming threat of climate change.
And also cause I'm ugly and have self-esteem issues.
What's eugenics gotta do with it?
Curious about your age and social group. Pretty much everyone I associate with doesn't want to have kids, usually citing the world their children would inherit. These definitely aren't the type of people that support eugenics, in any way. Are you of the belief that we should be increasing the world's population? If so, why?
Yeah I have no idea why this person is on about. Antinatalism has literally nothing to do with eugenics. It's all about saying "fuck you I'm not going to make more cogs for the machine."
I'll be honest it was a huge question that hung over my wife and I when we were trying to decide whether to have kids or not. But we were in our mid 30s and it was a 'now or never' type situation.
Believe it not there is positives in raising kids. We're definitely not judgemental of people who decide they don't want to. But I love my kids more than I knew it was possible. And we're trying to raise them with an understanding of the world that's a bit broader than the ra-ra pro-capital values we were taught as kids.
no, i have no belief regarding the world’s population in either direction. this comment pretty much explains the rest of my position.
You need to go learn about Demographic Transition. The world’s population is naturally going to cap itself this century.
i just have a feeling raising kids will get harder and harder, because the economy is getting worse and more unequal. even factoring out climate change, its expensive to afford even my own survival.
Or, you know, fight to see the system change hopefully within your lifetime and provide a better future for the generations to come. Because they will come, no matter whether you personally have kids or not. Your procreation choices are entirely up to you.
Yes, you are not responsible that someone else fucked up. That masses of people fucked up. You are not responsible to clean up the mess it caused. But, you know, you can still help.
Sounds like something the people on top would say to ensure I work more hours.
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Until I saw thia message, I entirely thought that this post was suggesting using a condom to choke oneself to death.
God that's depressing
Exactly how it should be.
Getting a vasectomy is the biggest possible middle finger I could have hoisted to the parasite class
Vasectomy 🎉❤️🐇😘
For The Win.
Cost 650 dollars and saved tens of thousands.
$35 copay! Best money ever.
Hundreds of thousands
Tubes tied 4 years ago
Sorry - genuinely don’t understand this one. What’s the connection? No kids means… no future workers?
I think it’s more like, can’t take advantage of me if I’m not born. It’s a little odd to me as well.
I got more of a, "You can't continue to take advantage of us if we don't have anymore children and kill off your workforce through gained apathy to our future." Kinda vibe.
It helps if you look at it from the perspective of the capitalist class. Workers are a form of free capital. Capitalists don't have to assume any of the burdens involved in creating life, raising a child, acculturating them to social standards that make them suitable workers, etc. They don't even have to pay for the education or training that makes them capable as human capital in various industrial contexts.
All those costs are dumped onto the working classes, not just as parents (usually the woman) who are expected to deliver a baby, nurse the baby, raise the resulting child until they are the age of the majority all without any wages, access to benefits like retirement plans or health insurance, etc. but also onto taxpayers who subsidize the rest of the costs outside of the home such as their schooling and transportation to the schools.
There is a huge leverage here that the working class does not take by organizing the production of themselves. If we all agreed to not have children and demanded fair compensation for any new production of human capital, society would be much more just and the capitalist class would have less room to exploit us.
The labor market is a market - that means it is regulated by supply and demand.
Now, there's a demand for workers.
Now, think about what happens when the supply goes down - prices go up.
In other words: If there are fewer workers on the labor market, that means the price for labor goes up, in other words: wages go up.
Ok. That’s a very fine system if everyone in the country works in a button factory where they just push buttons on a keyboard all day and don’t actually produce anything.
What do you think businesses are… making products for??
I love inspirobot
It truly is amazing.
safe sex is the best sex I don't care about that "it feels bad" crap you get to fuck someone else what else do you want? A cookie?
I mean... a cookie WOULD be nice.
I disagree, I prefer bareback. But I also only have sex with someone once we're dating and exclusive, and we both get tested. Also my tubes are tied.
The good news is I consider one partner/testing/IUD, tubes tied etc to be "safe sex"
Yes. I want a cookie. Cookies are delicious!
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Fuck yeah. I got fixed a few years after the ACA (Obamacare) was enacted. Prior to the ACA almost no providers covered voluntary sterilization, or there were difficult hoops to jump. Now I make a point to scream to all my ladies in the states, your health insurance is absolutely REQUIRED to provide coverage for female sterilization.
While this is noble of you, it is absolutely harder to get a hysterectomy than a vasectomy. Not because insurance won’t cover it, but because many doctors won’t do it unless you’ve had kids, or a husband’s “permission”, or are older.
Yeah I hear you, I live in the PNW and it still took me three obgyns before a doctor would finally approve. At the time I was a child free never pregnant 22 year old,. The doctor still required that I write a letter stating I understand it's irreversible. Still pretty condescending imo. You aren't wrong, it's hard and depending where you are in the us impossible to access humane women's healthcare.
But you are wrong to assume women seeking sterilizations all get hysterectomies. There are at least a handful of options, I got Essure but I think that it's no longer on the market. I walked out of my appointment, still more of an ordeal for ladies but not necessarily as dramatic as a hysterectomy.
Tf?
I mean I don't want any kids, but what the fuck is that supposed to mean? Eugenics for poor people?
Inspirobot
this might be the saddest and dumbest thing i've ever seen.
there's immigration. when birthrates are too low they'll just open up immigration.
even if there wasn't a simple and straightforward response with historical precedent that hamstrings the sentiment expressed in the op, it's insanely depressing that anyone would ever think to pen the words "i'll kill myself to hurt you!" as anything other than the tragic, diseased ravings of a person abused and neglected by everyone around them.
destroy the upper class,
take it up the ass.
