Quests from the Infinite Staircase will cause such a shitstorm
Quests from the Infinite Staircase will cause such a shitstorm
B4: The Lost City is a classic module for D&D. At one point it (in)famously stops giving full description of the rooms but instead lists monsters in each area and tells the DM to figure out why they're here themselves. Once the reprint will show up in new anthology, I'm sure people who complain online whenever WotC uses "ruling not rules" or "DM decides" or "these parts were left for the DM to fill in" in their design (and then continues buying WotC books to keep bitching and doesn't touch 3rd party or other games for some reason) is going to be normal about it. /s
Idk. I kinda of expect that when I buy something that all the information I would need would be present. But, I guess if you like having some of the information only, then it makes sense there's no rules for sailing space ships in the space sailing book. Especially since they charge you the same for modules with half the information in them as modules that have all the information in them.
Really d&d 5e is a mid system from an increasingly mid company.
Then why are you still buying from them? It was well-known they do this before Spelljammer, why did you keep buying?
Oh I'm not. I don't even play 5e anymore unless someone else is running it. I moved my setting and campaigns to Savage Worlds.
I did so because I don't like that WotC sells me books that are half baked and claims it's up to GM to write the content they paid for.
Also the entire debacle the other year with the OGL.
Personally, I'm not. The last WotC product I bought was Fizban, I think. At that point they had already started disappointing with the quality of their content, and it only got worse and worse with even removing huge amounts of content from already-purchased books in digital form. I wasn't playing much during the pandemic, but when I finally picked it up again last year, I decided to switch to Pathfinder 2e. Both a much better product and a much better company producing said product.
Why do you think everyone buys their shitty products? I'd bet most actual hobbyists haven't played dnd in a decade or more, partly because of this crap.
I don't see the problem with making my own story or filling into the blanks, but I'm not spending money on a product to do that. My imagination is free, I don't need WotC's permission to use it.
If you want me to pay for your overpriced books, at least make sure that those books are complete and ready to run. Running DnD modules is, for me, more exhausting than coming up with a homebrew setting. With my homebrew setting I'm in full control of my world and I know what's where and why things are the way they are. With official modules I'm forced to read a (often poorly worded) world, trying to discern what the author's intent was, and attempting to salvage as much of a broken product as possible while also making shit up to fill in the abysmal plot hooks and narrative progression full of plot holes and whatnot. At that point I'd much rather throw that shit in the garbage where it belongs and play my own setting.
Now, not all of the paid modules are disappointing, but most are. For example, I'd really want to buy and run the anthologies, as I find them a lot more interesting than full modules (I enjoy running my homebrew content, so I'd use anthologies as plot hooks and filler episodes in-between my own adventure), but I'm not paying for a book that has 20-ish adventures, of which only half are actually good. If there's no quality control, or your bar is so low that fucking Book of Ravens got printed, then you clearly aren't even trying.
I think it's mostly cowardice, personally. People don't want to risk putting their own choices into a game based entirely on choices, just in case they aren't as good. It's better to use someone else's decisions than risk your own pride.
Then you have ignorance. A lot of people don't know how to fill the gaps, and WotC has never bothered teaching them how. Any rules they did get are rules of thumb and aren't something to use without thought (like CR), so people complain for reason 1 again.
I think it's mostly cowardice, personally. People don't want to risk putting their own choices into a game based entirely on choices, just in case they aren't as good.
It's work and effort. D&D seems to have evolved from a game of random tables and strategy that required constant improvisation from the DM, to a game of (open ended) story telling. Character death seems to be less of an option.
So now DMs think they need to build a complex story, while allowing players to make choices. They need to prepare challenging encounters that aren't too challenging. And D&D combat tends to repetition, so they need to find ways to spice it up.
The handful of WotC modules that I've seen don't support that. The module has a single path and a bunch of dull combat encounters.
A lot of people don't know how to fill the gaps, and WotC has never bothered teaching them how.
This. I'm reading the Cyberpunk RED sourcebook now. I really appreciate the GM hints and suggestions. I don't remember anything like that in the 5e DMG.
Any rules they did get are rules of thumb and aren't something to use without thought (like CR), so people complain for reason 1 again.
Worse, some rules/features are holdovers from previous versions that don't make sense in the current game.
Any rules they did get are rules of thumb and aren’t something to use without thought (like CR)
And combat encounter building is a core pillar of the game. It should not be a loosey goosey "rule of thumb". If anything, it should be the most reliable set of instructions in the book.
But some monsters are strong against certain builds and weak against others. Some monsters are stronger in certain environment and entirely nullified by others. Some monsters are stronger given certain allies and weaker when alone.
If you could devise a system to assign monster complexity based on every scenario you can imagine that monster being part of, then either that's an astonishingly small number of scenarios or an absurdly complex calculation to force on anyone.
For me, it's not about risking my pride, it's risking running a shitty game.
I'm not a good DM. I'm not creative, I don't know how to balance shit, and I don't have time to craft any sort of compelling story.
I'm only doing it so that our forever DM can have an opportunity to play the game. So if I drop 40 bucks on a module, I sure as shit want it to hold my hand through it so that I don't ruin it.
I wasn't a good DM either. But then I learned. I threw encounters at the players I thought might be fun, and I missed the mark almost every single time. But my players had fun, so I don't see the problem in getting those encounters wrong. And every failure taught me so much more than every success.
If you fail, but you keep it fun and learn for the future, what have you lost? Only your pride.
I disagree. DM's always have the ability to put in their own choices and, in this case, room descriptions, regardless of what a module says. But that is work, and one of the things you buy a module for.
To make an extreme example, imagine I sold a campaign module called Blank Slate, where every page just says "and then you decide what happens next" and "decide what rooms are in this dungeon and what monsters are there."
I disagree - it's not cowardice to want a complete adventure as a base. The whole point of buying an adventure is that it gives you a complete story from the start instead of having to make up your own. Coming up with reasons that monsters are somewhere might be a fun little writing exercise for some, but it should just be a blog post, not a product people are paying money to run their groups through.
It might be cowardice to not change or expand on the adventure as written to customise it to your group, but even then it's a group thing - 5e in particular has lots of groups who approach the game with the same attitude they would skyrim or diablo, and their character is just a means for them to interact with the world. Changing the story for those groups doesn't actually add anything to their experience.
I broadly agree about ignorance being a problem, but I still don't think it's cowardice to not want to do things you haven't been taught how to, and particularly not with 5e - you don't learn how to run 5e by playing 5e, you learn by playing other systems then coming to 5e because that's what you can get players for. You play something like 2e and OSR or 3.5/PF1 and run 5e with the mechanics from those games in mind. There isn't a mechanical base that rulings can be built off in 5e, so it's not cowardly for new DMs to not want to have to come up with mechanics from scratch.
This is a room. After seeing dozens of rooms with monsters and furniture, you are given a room with nothing in it and told to fill it yourself. You know the general sort of thing that goes in the room, so all that's left is to decide precisely what. Everything before the room has been given to you, and everything after will be given as well. You just need to come up with one room.
You can have a paid product full of things to put into that room and not learn a damn thing about actually preparing rooms like that. You can memorise every entry on a multiplication table and still not know how to actually multiply two numbers. The most valuable teacher is experience, which is why you have to actually figure out what the gaps in the number sequence are.
So you can try. You can come up with a few monsters you think would be fun, and would fit into that room. You add a bookshelf and a table for flavour, and to make the fight a little bit more interesting. It could go well or it could go wrong, but you learn either way.
Or you can rage against the system that dared tell you to figure out a single room by yourself; dared to tell you to put your pride on the line and risk making a mistake.
The second one sounds cowardly to me.
you know why gamefreak games suck (to use an unrelated example)? People that will just accept whatever garbage is given to them without complaint instead of having standards. If I'm buying an adventure path i expect it to be complete. Hell that applies to dnd broadly as well, awful, incomplete, overpriced game that it is.