If someone says their favorite tv show/movie is any of the ones pictured here, the next question should always be “Why?”
What movie is top right? And who the heck idolizes Patrick Bateman? What is there to idolize? His skincare routine? His music tastes?
That's Don Draper.
Add the Fallout series to the mix, lol
Kinda? The Fallout series definitely attracts these kind of people, but the message of the games go completely over their heads. Because they can play out their facist fantasies, they don't realize how those routes are showing what's fucked up about that kind of thinking. If they could realize that sort of thing, they wouldn't be have those sorts of fantasies in the first place.
hey, scarface is solid, it is about a man who achieved everything he wanted, but because he was an asshole and fell into hubris, his life ended corresponding to this. Guy commits crime then recives punishment for it.
Breaking bad is telling that even such a weak man as Walter White can become a horrid monster if he won't tame his pride and ego and let them guide him.
The Jocker is a commentary on what the hostility of modern society could do, and how unwelcoming it is, especially towards people with issues, mental and parental ones.
The other ones I either haven't watched, or i had, and totally agree with your opinion on them, for instance, Rick and Morty is a shallow pseudointellectual show with stupid jokes whose main hero, not antihero, mind you, hero, is a psycho which does what he wants. Its agressive and childish nihilism disgusts me. Fight Club doesn't, but if its your favorite, you must be 15. I can absolutely see why lots of people like it though
You hit the nail in the head. It’s not that these can’t be your favorite pieces of media. Just that it’s key to make sure you’re dealing with a person that doesn’t think these people are role models. Protagonist ≠ hero. But if someone says they loved Taxi Driver because they want to be like Travis or that Rorschach was wronged, they’re probably not the type of person you want to keep as company.
Breaking Bad is the greatest TV show ever, but all characters except for Hank, Mary and Walt Jr are horrible people.
Jesse turning his life around and realizing that he can be a good person, is one of the central themes of the show.
It's not just about who the good people and who the bad people are. It's also about what these characters are becoming.
Hank is a misogynistic, bigoted blowhard that admittedly does improve towards the end, but mostly by contrast to Walts own horribleness. Mary has her own problems that she fights against addressing and won't take anyone's else's input. Jr is just a kid, so most of his dickishness can be attributed to that, but he can be a knob in his own right.
I've got all of them but the top of column 2. Who is that?
Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver. Excellent movie but quite dark and twisted. Much like the rest of these characters.
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People are idolising these characters? Like role models? Wow!
I mean, i love so many of these characters, they are amazing. But role models? Wtf? Conservatives are wacky.
I look up to Rick because he refuses to delude himself into seeing the dystopia our species has made for itself with rose colored glasses. I respect those that prefer the unvarnished truth over happiness, as it is an exceedingly rare quality. He even openly hates himself on the merits of who he is.
I also appreciate his coping mechanism: Nihilism, because it's based on objective fact. The sun will eventually continue to heat until all life is extinguished, the universe will suffer heat death, and billions of years before that, humanity will destroy itself, and if we somehow, beyond astronomical odds don't, we will recklessnessly use our technology to alter ourselves in every conceivable way for every conceivable reason to the point that humanity will no longer apply.
I find peace in recognizing the futility of what everyone finds so important. That doesn't mean I don't or can't enjoy the temporary beauty of it. As Rick said to his daughter trying to save a universe that didn't want to be saved from an Evil empire that would just be replaced by another, "don't forget to have fun."
The thing you have to realize is that the Conservatives have been moving the goalposts for decades.
When he was alive, Martin Luther King was considered a hard core Communist revolutionary whose goal was the complete destruction of the American way of life. There were public burnings of Beatles records. Hell, early in the Reagan administration, The Beach Boys were kept from singing at a national July 4 event because a Cabinet member thought they were dangerous radicals.
They can play off that Star Trek Original series was okay, but newer versions are walking away from the original intent.
Maybe he's right. Ive never seen JJ Trek 3 but Sulu base jumps in the trailer so it seems fitting if Spock leans into his human half and gets spicy.
(Re)Appropriation is practically a part of the job description for these chucklefucks. Things mean what they want them to. And while that's part of how one enjoys art, in this context its routinely used to hurt people and contrary to the author's (sometimes clearly documented) intent.
Example: Using Rage Against the Machine at a conservative political rally.
Message: It's our rage and your machine now.
Add Fallout to that list, haha. Too many fascist fans of a leftist game series.
"So whats your opinion on The Boys?"
I had a conversation about satire recently and found its most interesting trait to be the divergent paths to understanding and misunderstanding its intent. A caricature can be taken as criticism or instead as CrItiCiSm.
For example, Homelander can be perceived as the monster that he is and a trump allegory. In this case, the intended message is that trump is a monster. However, homelander is such an over-the-top monster that it can also be perceived as mocking the “over-the-top” criticism of trump while fully acknowledging that it is a satire. The former is the intended message but the latter is a reasonable take for someone who doesn’t see trump as a monster. They might say that the critique is meant to be so ridiculous that it exemplifies the calls for action against an “innocent man.” “He’s not that monstrous, they must mean something else.”
South park’s manbearpig, personally, is a more interesting example. Before it was retconned, it was Al Gore‘s reputation-ruining hunt for an imaginary creature, manbearpig, which served as an allegory for his fight against, what Stone and Parker believed to be, the fictional premise of global warming. I perceived it not as criticism of Al Gore but as CrItICIsM, given that global warming factually exists. The intended message was that Al Gore ruined his reputation on a snipe hunt while I took it as the republican view of the situation being so ridiculously discordant with reality that this was their perception. In a way, that was right.
All of this is to say, satire can be difficult to understand even when it is understood to be satire, let alone when it’s taken literally. Poe’s law isn’t just an issue on the internet. For those of you scanning through and looking to pick a fight because you’ve misunderstood, yes trump is a monster, yes global warming is real, yes you should work on your reading comprehension if those were your criticisms.
Donald Trump's playlist includes 'YMCA' and Fortunate Son.' Other conservatives have used 'Rage Against The Machine' songs.
Once you've convinced yourself that you're on the moral side, anything you do is moral.
Never saw wiser closing statements. But if you think that will make you troll free, I have bad news.
Don’t tell me people side with Nazi superman?
They cried the show "went woke" when Stormfront was revealed to be a Nazi and a horrible person. Not that she was a Nazi, but because she was bad.
My favorite part about pro-Homelander fans of The Boys is that THE SHOW IS NOT SUBTLE. HOMELANDER IS AN EVIL PSYCHOPATH IN EVERY WAY. THE ONOY WAY TO BE MORE OBVIOUS IS IF MORGAN FREEMAN NARRATED OVER IT SAYING "HE'S THE VILLIAN" EVERY TIME HKMELANDER IS ON SCREEN!
Back on reddit I once mentioned that Star Trek was a Marxist post scarcity society in a center conservative sub. It wasn't my point, I just mentioned it like mentioning the sky is blue. I got down-voted to oblivion and tens of replies 'correcting' me.
Conservatives have an equivalent lore.
It's called Handmaid's Tale.
As do libertarians.
It's called Mad Max.
All we're talking about is reveling in the future our respective philosophies want to see.
youre telling me that if I vote for a libertarian candidate then I can ride eternal, shiny and chrome?
where do i sign?
Evidently some portion of Colbert Report viewers didn’t know his character was a bit…
I have yet to meet a lib who understood To Kill A Mockingbird
You'd think they read a book where Atticus, backed by intellect and truth and a lifetime of working within the system, righteously proves a man's innocence despite all odds, and then the system worked and everyone lived happily ever after.
Edit: What are the downvotes for? The whole point of the book is that the system and all the justifications are just a pretense for those with power to wield it the way they want, and all the rightousness and superlative competence applied within the system could not stop the jury from convicting Tom or the prison guard from shooting him in the back.
Libs of course just see how great attacus is and don't understand why the trial didn't end with Tom getting declared innocent.
This doesn't even require reading subtext, there's a whole scene on the courthouse steps after the verdict where it's spelled out for Scout and the reader.
I have yet to meet a lib who understood To Kill A Mockingbird
You must be one hardcore lib.
What are the downvotes for?
Probably because nothing intelligent has ever been said by someone who calls people "libs".
Let's look at an example.
"I've yet to meet a conservitard who doesn't have to suck their own dick every night to fall asleep."
Whether that's true or not it starts with grouping some people into a predjudicially named group, then saying they are have some negative quality, or at least worse than you, and then extrapolating your personal experience to imply it applies to the entire group.
Result... Downvotes.
Maybe if you hid it further down more people would have missed it, but you put it in the first line.
I understand that much, I forgot liberals don't consider themselves right, and wouldn't understand that OP includes them given how anti-capitalist Star Trek is.
Strange way to kill a Mockingbird, but if it works it works I guess.
It's funny that people are mad at your usage of "lib." It's obviously pejorative, and maybe they're reacting to that, but I doubt it would have gone better if you said "liberal."
OP here is obviously criticizing center-right liberal thinking from a leftist perspective.
