The DMA already having an impact. Brave Browser installs surge after introduction of browser choice splash screen on iOS.

Yeah but Brave? Why not Firefox or Vivaldi.
- Forgive them. They aren't used to choosing their browser yet.
  
  They're Apple users. They aren't used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work
  
  Ok you get a free pass, make sure it doesn't happen again :)
- Well the Brave Twitter account is likely a bit biased toward the Brave browser. 🙂
  I'm sure the others were impacted too.
  Edit: Firefox installs jumped 50%.
  https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/13/24100066/firefox-saw-an-increase-in-users-following-apples-default-browser-changes-in-the-eu
- Vivaldi is a proprietary rebranding of Chromium. Can't say I'd recommend it over (or in addition to) Firefox.
  We need less forks of Chromium. Any one company (Google in this case) having total control over browser engines is dangerous, and is a big reason why the whole Apple/Safari/Webkit situation is such a big deal to begin with.
  
  Remember kids, if it's Chromium based, it's still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don't let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.
  
  True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it's like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.
- Firefox +50% in Germany, +30% in France
- Vivaldi is my go to browser. Brave does a better job with blocking ads. I'm switching to Brave whenever I need to stream something on a site loaded with ads, or when YouTube manages to detect my Adblock for a few days.
  
  Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
  Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?
- Still better than Edge or Chrome
- as someone said, its randomised, and I'm sure that other browsers also saw more downloads
- Vivaldi is extremely slow on IOS and 2gb+ big. Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock. Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
  
  Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.
  That's because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it's HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn't they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?
  
  You can get one but not the other. Orion has been pretty solid for me, has all the lovey iOS integration so the happy chemicals Apple spent R&D on does it’s magic while blocking all sorts of things, but it’s closed source :/
  
  Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.
  Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I'm human. For example it has "private relay" which is similar to TOR* so trackers don't even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don't block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic.... so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can't track you
  99.99% of the Safari's code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.
  It's not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it's definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I've never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.
  (* if anything, it's better than TOR... with that service there's a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it's always one of Apple's servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you... maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can't)
- Vivaldi is proprietary bullcrap. I don't know why people keep sucking their dick
- Because it blocks ads out of the box. I know its new tab screen causes a lot of y’all’s buttholes to clench because it mentions cryptocurrency, but there are harder things to ignore
  
  Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you're stepping on a minefield.
- Because it's listed as the first item on the browser choice screen for some reason, probably
  
  The list is randomized, I've seen several screenshots with different order.
  
  I mean it’s probably just alphabetical, but I wouldn’t know for sure.
- Cause Firefox is trash and Mozilla a shell of their former selves?
  Also it's so liberating to speak your mind without caring what some scrub with his sweaty fingers on the downvote button thinks
- firefox sucks for most people and vivaldi it's too complicated to configure + it looks like pure bloat
  
  Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.
  
  I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.

For god sakes don’t use Brave. Brave has been caught doing shady shit in the past, and the CEO is a piece of shit on top of that.
Use Firefox with privacy addons.
- Don't worry, Firefox downloads in the EU have also skyrocketed.
  https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/13/24100066/firefox-saw-an-increase-in-users-following-apples-default-browser-changes-in-the-eu
- Vivaldi and Firefox are better choices.
  PS: considering reviewing Brave again. Everyone should contribute to their source code.
  
  Vivaldi is the best!
  Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google's disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too
  But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!
- This is too far down.
- But in iOS , addons (ublock origin) are not available at least outside EU, so brave is the better choice as it got brave shield . everywhere else I use Firefox.
  
  This isn’t true, Safari has that exact extension
- Wasn't the Brave CEO formerly the Mozilla CEO, back when Mozilla was doing a good job?
  
  Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.
- There is one issues though... Firefox is extremely slow and clunky. I hate to say it, but on mobile it is hard to use all the time for me. On desktop I'm Firefox 95% of the time but some sites don't work very well with the much slower JavaScript engine. This isn't to defend Brave or any chromium browser but we gotta get Firefox up to speed.
  
  This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.
  
  Firefox and chromium both outperform Safari in performance tests, or roughly the same depending on the setup.
  It's Safari that's the third rate browser. No one would use that shit if it hadn't been forced on them and if the other vendors weren't restricted by Apple.
  There's a reason Apple stopped making Safari for other platforms. It never caught on, 'cause it sucks. Safari can't compete without Apple kneecapping the competition. They're like a sports team that can't win without playing on their home turf at 10000 ft altitude where they pump in crowd noise and drug the other team's gatorade
  
  I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But... Yeah that's valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I'm almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.
  
  Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.
  At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.
  Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.
  However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it's pretty hard to shake that stank.
  If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.
  
  I just have a shitty phone. Lol don't buy a Pixel 6. (Unless you pick it up really cheap for temporary use)

Brave is garbage. It's a cryptoscam adscam browser based on Chrome. For the love of god, use Firefox (or Vivaldi if you absolutely need chromium)
- I can't say I disagree, I've long abandoned it on my PC.
  But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone, so I'm still using it on my phone.
  
  But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone
  It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.
- Unfortunately brave has the best desktop layout when using Samsung DeX.
  
  Better than Kiwi?
- Brave on iOS is one of the more legitimate ways of getting an ad blocker
  
  Firefox has adblockers on mobile
  
  Check out Orion! Firefox and Chrime add on support.
  Edit: Also like Vivaldi. If you want device wide I can highly recommend NextDNS
  
  I’ve been using Safari + AdGuard for a while and I don’t remember seeing any ad.
- whats wrong with chromium?
  
  It allows Google to continue controlling the Internet.
- At least on android Firefox has Google tracking built into the app among much other tracking/ads. If you don't like Brave you may want to consider a Firefox fork. On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.
  Edit: I forgot criticizing Firefox is wrongthink on the fediverse and will get you donwnvoted no matter what. Even if it's in the context of advising people to switch FROM Brave TO a Firefox fork on Android.
  
  On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.
  Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.
  
  I'm not sure if fennec has it, it's the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.
- Brave is great, has configurable keybinds, nice default adblock block list, vertical tabs, syncing sessions without email, etc.
  And on android it can play youtube vids on the background.
  The crypto ads just get disabled on the new tab page, you don't even have to go to the settings lol. And vivaldi is partially closed source btw.
  
  There are crypto ads involved in the product though? Fuck that, even if it was default off
- @AMDIsOurLord@lemmy.ml @FatCat@lemmy.world Brave may have its flaws but at least it has an offline Dino game, what does Firefox have?
  
  an offline breakout game
- Cryptoscam
  I turned it off
  Adscam
  I turned them off
  Based on chrome
  Chromium
  use Firefox
  No.
  
  Cope and Seethe
  
  No.
  *Links article about one of the best takes ever made by an online company
  Wild
  
  Are you saying you don’t like Firefox because they don’t like propaganda?

Chart is a little misleading starting at 7% instead of zero, but still a nice surge nevertheless.
- True. Other people asked so they posted another one.
  
  IMO, this makes it look even worse.
  
  The total numbers are so small that the shape of the line barely matters. 7-10k installs daily? In the mobile browser market? There are plant identification apps with better numbers.
- Is that 7% or 7,000 installs total? The axis isn’t labeled!!
  
  I see a k following the numbers, so I'm assuming that's total number of downloads.
  
  Article states installs per day
- Not even seven percent. Lol. Seven thousand which is probably like .0001 percent.
  
  That's new daily installs though, so cumulative number. I don't think they're trying to draw a comparison, just show the increase.

That graph is trash. The baseline needs to be at zero.
- That graph hurts my data scientist heart
  
  It’s common practice to cut the y axis, did you guys not cover that in visualisation?
- Could you please clarify why the baseline needs to be at 0? I'm genuinely curious.
  
  This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5 while it is not the case when looking at the raw numbers.
  Any variation can look impressive if you zoom enough, that's why you need a baseline at 0. This way you see thé entire scale of the phenomenon
- No it doesn't.
  It's meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine. It's not a scientific paper.
  It's a 32-34% increase looking at the graph. That's significant enough to shout about.
  Imagine any change you could make surprising competition by 25% in any market. That's huge.
  
  It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine
  Define "perfectly fine". It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.
  
  Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue...AY!
  
  It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph
  But you don't get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
  The graph height increases by 300% in the last ~~3 months~~ 9 days.
  
  You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don't know what you're talking about.
  
  True.

Brave would definitely not be my choice 😂
- That is fine, as long as people have a choice.
- Certainly, but it's probably happening for all browsers on iOS right now.
  
  ....in europe

I mean sure I guess... but brave as a browser is atrocious. I don't trust their bullshit at all.
After all who doesn't want a crypto wallet in their browser? that's the safest place for it right?
- I guess if you have no experience with it then that's a perfect response. Meanwhile I've got $72 worth of BAT in mine and if it vanished I'd be perfectly fine losing money I never actually owned. I donate to DDG and Wikipedia each month with mine. That's money they didn't have so they are fine with that.
  I used to have a lot less but this crypto spike has increased it by a lot so my holdings are exceeding my donations. Might need to give away more.
  
  I'm seeing a lot of down votes but no counter arguments.

Reminder that this graph does not start at zero. Still a ~(EDIT: 50)% increase.
- take home message from this graph: if we shift the graph down by ~7K, you can see that we have roughly increased our user base by a factor of 100!
  
  9.33262154 × 10157% is a pretty sick increase, all things considered.

I've been using Firefox on my android phones for years though, I don't remember it ever being more involved then setting it as default on the popup on first launch.
- Android is a fenced garden compared to the fortress that is iOS.
  
  I guess, but it's like a 2 foot high fence
  
  Did the same on iOS… not a huge difference. Download app from store, set as default.
- I have been using Firefox as the default browser on my iPhone for a while now. It wasn’t complicated to setup either.
  
  Same here but it's not Firefox with its own Engine, it's a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple's restriction.
- There are a bunch of apps that strictly require Chrome for their in-app custom tabs, though. I have to re-install Chrome on occasion because I can't log into apps without it. Also, having Chrome installed at all makes it impossible to NOT set a default browser (i.e. to have it ask every time), which is what I prefer since I use several different browsers for different use cases. (Note: this is on Pixel. Never had that problem on my older phones.)
  
  While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
  \ Including that some features are optional.
  
  I have Firefox set up and never was the in-app browser firefox
  How I know? I have dark reader active on those pages and usually websites don't reflect system primary settings.

Still wouldn't touch Brave Browser due to their past crypto shenanigans.
- Please forgive my ignorance. Can’t you shut that shit off? Does shenanigans still apply?
  
  They apply after you shut them off

I hate how they cut off the graph...
- Yeah, that graph is sus af
- At least it's drawn to scale, but yeah I get it. Starting at 7k probably makes it easier to read.

They are probably just trying to pump their token with these posts.

That graph looks exaggerated but this is over a few days which is crazy
- It is misleading. In a reputable graph, your y axis would start at zero
  
  Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.
  The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.
  
  No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.
  We are not talking about Apple graph madness
  
  Not really, no. You use a point of reference that's clearly labeled. If you'd start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.

The axis is somewhat misleading. A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
Edit: just saw from the comments this is the number of installs per day so its bigger than I thought
- A jump from 8k to 11k installs is nothing.
  It's about a third. Imagine if your income went up by 30% in 24 hours, I reckon you'd be pretty happy about that.
  Also - it tends to take months for a new version of iOS to reach a large number of users, and years to reach everyone. So a rapid growth rate (probably not 30%, but still fast) is likely to be sustained over quite a while.
- It’s been one day
  
  Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are trying it out. I'm curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.

Misleading graph trying to make a 150% increase look like a 1000% increase.
- that's a ~40% increase looking like a 300% increase
- Read the left side? 7k-11k, the removed useless information, provided you read what is actually there first.
  
  no one reads that. didn't even bother to look. should be more transparent IMO but whatever
- Welcome to the transparency of Brave !

That doesn't surprise me, and yes it was always because of anti-competitive practices, so I'm all for more neutrality, I'll just add 2 shower thoughts:
Seeing that Brave is at the top of the browser list, I wonder how many selected Brave just because it's at the top of the list and thought that this must be a good choice then, not because they actually like Brave.
It's nice to have such a thing for browsers, but it would have to be expanded to other apps as well, e.g. mail client. Oh well, maybe in another 10 years or so.
- The position is randomized.

I'm so glad they included a key otherwise I wouldn't know what the green line represented.

I used to use brave before they were soured. Ther BAT token disappearing from my account was another nail in the coffin.
- Arguably soured from the very beginning depending on how much you care about the CEO financially supporting a bill to strip gay people of their right to marry, plus supporting a politician who said that AIDS is good because it cleanses the earth of gay people.

I dont know wtf this is about; I have NEVER had a problem switching default browsers in ANY environment.
- After you install the 17.4 update or when setting up the phone it'll ask what browser you want as your deafult. Before this and still in other countries you have to manually search and download a browser and set it as the default.
  
  I was a bit confused too. So all that's changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?

Hurry USA! Better find some smallish company to sue for anti trust instead of working on any real issues like this

To whoever mentioned Librewolf previously as a better alternative to FireFox: Thank you.
- Does Firefox containers work on it

3,000 people clicked a button out of curiosity or by mistake. If this is statistically relevant for their install base, there really is nobody using Brave. I have as many users randomly come and go into my game on a daily basis.
- Maybe Europeans like crypto scamware

But still isn’t it a safari reskin!!
- No because the EU forced them to actually allow the browser engines. It turns out that somebody with an actual brain was behind the policy decision.
  Shockingly it turns out that despite what apple always claimed it was actually perfectly possible and weirdly isn't actually a security threat after all, who knew.
  
  I don't think people can develop a browser engine that fast, and apple is still scrambling to figure out the least amount of compliance to avoid legal trouble.
  So I doubt they are using a different engine at this moment.
- I think at this point it still is. But it should get a chromium version in future!

I don't use Brave due to lack of uBlock Origin support. Otherwise it seems like a decent browser.
- Thing is, on iOS, at least in the past, Firefox had no uBlock origin support, which pushed Brave's adblocking capability to the #1 spot.
  
  makes sense
  
  Not just in the past, you still can't install addons in (any browser) on iOS. brave is basically the only option because it adblocks without addons.

Competition is healthy for a market, this is proof that people aren't happy with the default browser and it'll hopefully spur apple into improving their browser and in turn causing brave to improve even more
- "brave to improve even more"? Don't you mean stop being a shitty scummy company?

Honestly I'd expect a much bigger jump
- A choice screen is a baby step that’s not enough to level the playing field.

Brave is evil.

I don't think this is a good thing, brave is good out of the box but do not provide good browsing experience

There is zero reason to switch browsers on iOS, They all run the same engine. Safari also has extensions (which I believe 3rd party browsers can't use).
- They all run the same engine for now. The EU wants to ban that too.
- Eh, that's not true. Yes they run on the same engine, but there can still be different features overlaid on top, plus syncing history/bookmarks with your other devices.
  The engine is by far the biggest part of a browser, but it is not the only part of a browser.
  Also, EU users will soon have access to "real" different browsers.
- Again, this is why this law was such a big deal. Prior to this you were correct. Thanks to the DMA, you are wrong. Firefox will be running Gecko, and Vivaldi, Brave, Chrome, etc are allowed to ship their flavors of chromium.
  
  *in the EU
- Normal people don't choose the browser based on the underlying engine

And once again, I am seriously questioning Apple's privacy claims. Why else would Apple build such a moat around Safari?
- Same reasons as Internet Explorer, probably
- Because they can limit it and thus make app more attractive and keep a 30% cut?

Does that default browser screen allow you to install with setting the OS default?

The line starts shooting up before March 6th though...
- Timezones? The first drastically higher data point seems to be Mar 05

I can't see the graph in w3m.

Using Brave since years ago and it goes pretty smooth, good for them but first they should get out of Apple brand tbh.

it's was not hard. you just install one and tap "always" the next time you open a link to set it as the default
- Many if not most users were unaware of this possibility though.
  
  maybe because of ios where it wasn't even possible to change the default browser until like .... 2020 i think?
  and even now all browsers use webkit and are forbidden from loading their own js (aka extensions) anyway