Ocasio-Cortez says Biden could 'do more' to earn votes than just attack Trump to advance Democrats’ vision in 2024
Ocasio-Cortez says Biden could 'do more' to earn votes than just attack Trump to advance Democrats’ vision in 2024
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) joins Meet the Press exclusively to discuss President Biden’s re-election campaign and the divide within the Democratic Party over the war in Gaza.
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Can he though? Seems to me that a lot of the things Biden does don't get noticed by people. Either because of laziness and apathy on their part, or due to horrible reporting from our less than a reputable media at this point. A lot of the best accomplishments don't get talked about, some are even misremembered. You still hear people talk about the the rail worker strike and yet completely forget how it ended with Biden getting the rail workers pretty much everything they wanted. I don't know if that's just ignorance or purposeful misinformation what I hear it from people though. A lot of his reforms have been some of the most progressive in decades, yet people on the internet especially just pretend they don't exist for some reason. Is it messaging or is it purposeful? Hard to say.
Biden is a liberal, and is making moves for liberals, yes. People here are leftists, and want moves made for leftists. Being slightly more progressive for a liberal is not what leftists want, it's what progressive liberals want.
Well leftist might want to grow the fuck up and realize that the choice is between a straight-up fascist and a progressive liberal. So the time to whinge about it would have been years ago when they could build up their own candidate and start campaigning for them. Instead, cuz they're lazy, they'd rather now subvert democracy in a huff. They're going to end up learning the lesson of Weimar Germany, that when the fascists come to power they murder the leftists. It's what I can't understand at this point, is it ignorance or is it malfeasance?
This same exact line has been thrown at leftists every election cycle for the last 50 years. The fun thing? The liberals sided with the fascists in Nazi Germany, lol.
I never suggested that leftists shouldn't vote for Biden over Trump, but get off your high horse and realize that what's good for liberals is not necessarily good for leftists, and leftists have a right to complain and criticize. Liberals are not entitled to votes just because they aren't as bad as fascists, at the end of the day both are bad.
Again, I'm going to vote for Biden, but I'll absolutely clown on him for being a lukewarm liberal propping up genocide as well.
If it's been thrown at them for 50 years, which I don't necessarily concede, it's because they never do anything about it. Leftists don't organize. Leftists don't prop up candidates at local and small levels. Leftist don't campaign. What leftists do is complain. What leftists do is cut each other down. What leftists do is turn up their noses at 80% of success because it's not the other 20. Meanwhile conservative will happily chip away 20% at a time for 30 straight years till they get what they want.
Being a left is an America is one of the most frustrating things you can be, because we kill ourselves.
Leftists do organize, liberals are just the most entrenched party.
Biden is not 80% success, if he was then there would be genuine Socialism in the United States.
Being a leftist is frustrating because liberals never concede anything yet feel entitled to votes because they aren't as evil as the other guy.
How did how do they get entrenched? Is it just magic? Or maybe, they're that much better at organizing which leads to entrenchment.
Why on Earth with 80% success from a liberal be socialism that makes no sense.
You people have no idea how far the Democratic party has moved in the last 20 years alone. You people have no concept of what it was like in the 90s. On so many issues today the Democratic party without question supports things that the Democratic party back then was way too conservative to do. It's about incremental change. Short of violent revolution, which I am not ruling out, that's the only way to get change. Only.
Because liberalism is beneficial to Capitalists, money flows towards them. Leftists have been forced to organize at grassroots levels against the powers of Capital, while liberals have had the pleasure of being bought and paid for by Capitalists.
80% success for a leftist would be Socialism. Of course Biden is a liberal, I don't give a shit if he's successful as a liberal, I care about genuine improvements in material conditions for the Proletariat. Biden hasn't been 100% bad, but he's been far from leftist.
Grassroots movement is how you get change. In the last 20 years, liberals are no closer to emancipation of the Proletariat.
Leftists do organize, do promote candidates, do campaign. The problem is that the DNC is actively hostile to true progressive movements and undercut them at every moment.
Leftists have to look outside of the democratic process because the space alloted to them within it is purposefully ineffectual, and we often have to push the Democrats around because they're constantly holding back reform.
Then who? This is always what happens I always get told that it's just too hard. They can't win. Just give up. Let the fascists win. It's all I ever hear on this damn site. You know what I don't ever hear? The Who. Where is this leftist candidate that was built up and put in position to win this race? I don't see him.
It isn't just alternative candidates, but I should point out that there are other candidates running that absolutely deserve consideration (Cornell West strikes me as a particularly good option for leftist policies).
If democrats want to win with leftist support, they're going to need to try and make concessions to the caucus. A part of direct action is withholding support in order to win ground, and the democrats are absolutely not entitled to anyone's vote. If they really believe they need to defeat fascism, then maybe they should start listening to the people telling them why they're loosing votes.
Dems: "LeFtIsTs DoNt OrGaNiZe BeHiNd A cAnDiDaTe"
Leftists: organize behind a candidate
Dems: "Yea but no" goes to court to tell leftists they do what they want fuck you
Who? Where was this candidate?
Ah it's time for today's episode of Schrodingers Leftist -
Just a bunch of stupid babies for Democrats to bat around for fun, never to be taken seriously
But also
Single handedly to blame for every single dem loss.
Just admit yall are just as fascist and capitalist as the Republicans and you hate leftists more than you do MAGA. 🤷
I grew up and realized I’ll never get a government I actually like, and now just vote for the one who makes nice sounds.
Giving up hope made me feel a lot better about this shitshow.
You still hear people talk about the the rail worker strike and yet completely forget how it ended with Biden getting the rail workers pretty much everything they wanted
Biden subverted the workers' rights to strike, it doesn't matter what the outcome was. Unions have the right to strike anytime for any reason and no President should have the legal authority to interfere in negotiations for any reason, point blank.
The railworkers strike set precedent that strikes could only happen if the President wanted them to, which is a really fucking awful thing to do. But I'd expect no less from a neolib.
See this is exactly what I'm talking about here. First the ignorance and thinking that set of precedent and not the hundred years that has come before it. Then the concept of no it doesn't matter the results. Just the arrogance of saying results don't matter when it comes to governance. This is the problem in a nutshell right here.
Okay so best case scenario is that Biden didn't do anything to change union rights in America and followed the past 100 years and worst case is that he showed that not even the dems actually support workers right to strike? Am I following you right? The president isn't the daddy of America. You fuckers talk all the time about how "Joe Biden doesnt control the economy" when he literally stepped into a private negotiation to force people back to work. It was illegal when Raegan did it and it was illegal when Biden did it.
It doesn't matter the results. Biden subverted the workers' rights to strike. He could've gotten them 10x more than they were petitioning for and it would've still been a disaster for unions in the long-term. Union rights aren't subject to the whim of whoever is sitting in the Oval Office.