The future is in good hands

So I'm in the military, and my unit is particularly pleasant to be at, enough that if there are other military people on here, they might get upset by what I'm about to say.

We have peer group meetings with the Commanding Officer of the base, meaning each paygrade meets with the CO without the people above or below them to hear, and discuss issues. As you can imagine, those in the lower paygrades tend to be significantly younger, and when it got to my paygrade, we were all, almost without exception, millenials.

To give a background, in the military we get 30 days of leave per year (basically vacation), unlimited sick days, maternity and paternity leave (I believe it's at 2 months for Paternity, which is pretty generous by US standards). Additionally, at my unit, we get a four day weekend for every federal holiday, have various "morale days" through the year for fishing derbies, group hikes, etc, and a 6.5 hour work day (cue all military going WTF?!).

At the lower paygrade peer group, a few of them were apparently asking for "more control" over their time off, and being able to take ask for days off with no notice because the weather was going to be good (for hunting, for example). When the CO brought the stuff they were saying up to us, the older, supervisor, millenials, we were facepalming and talking about the fucking Zoomers. But then something amazing happened:

The CO said he could see their point, and maybe we take some of those four day weekends and instead give a few "Liberty Bucks" at the beginning of the year to each person, that can be turned in to get a particular day in the immediate future off (like getting the next day off to go hunting). That actually worked really well for us, because it made those long weekends easier to schedule, and spread out the days people would be out.

And I realized we Millenials were just so happy to have what we had, we couldn't fathom asking for something better... but they could, they did, and got it.

Fucking Zoomers indeed. Keep pushing, y'all.

The audacity of Zoomers will save the future.
My personal theory on why old people become miserable conservative pricks is that we're born into this world knowing absolutely nothing, and spend every moment of our lives trying to figure out what in the fuck is going on. Over time, you start to figure some of it out. Then, when you've finally started to get a hold of some shit, and finally start to get into a rhythm of what you're supposed to do, the next generations come in and start changing shit.
People aren't against things being better. But they are against not knowing what the fuck they're supposed to do in life. The problem is the overlap. Changing something for the better means people that spent their whole life doing it one way are now in a state of chaos and uncertainty, which is followed by fear.
So you slowly become conservative, and resist all change.
- As MellowWheat said, people don't become conservative as they get older. That's a myth. People just stop accepting new ideas and stop thinking they can be wrong. They stop changing basically. They get what they wanted, but once they do they don't want more so they end up just wanting to keep things the way they got them.
  Also, even this I don't think is fully true. The boomers and the next generation or two mostly became conservative when they got older, but I don't know if this is necessarily the rule. They were just raised to be selfish. I've seen it with my parents. They just tend to think about themselves and their family first, and things happened to work out because the economy grew with them so almost everyone had enough, but that's not the case anymore. We need more cooperation if we're going to survive.
- People stop changing around their 20s typically. But the world around them doesn't stop. This happens to almost everybody.
I don't think it's the zoomies that are particularly different, it's just kids being kids

May we all be so fortunate as to have a hand in creating a world in which we are executed as reactionaries

How does being "executed as reactionaries" help anyone? Once you've gained social power you shouldn't need to execute anyone for their beliefs, and you need that social power to execute in the first place.
- I was just making a Proudhon reference
Amen 🙏🏻

Honestly if the zoomers get to a point where they're actively organizing and getting shit done, I'm happy. It's more than millennials were ever able to do

Not so sure... used to think the kids are alright, but have been seeing some disturbing trends from the tankies, who are just fascists that like red flags and yellow stars.
They know things aren't fair and know there's problems but are prone to the same fascist tricks the MAGAs fell for.
Hopefully they can pass beyond of this phase, things can go the wrong direction when people organize with violent intentions.
- I'm not too worried. Tankies are prominent here, on the fediverse, but despite the mewling of cretins like GenZedong, are not particularly powerful in the latest gen.
- I've noticed a lot of them are "puritan pilled." For example, growing up, if there were sex scenes in a movie you would say "yeah, that makes sense. People like to fuck and fucking is a big part of relationships. Showing people being intimate isn't really a big deal." But now, I've heard younger people complain about sex scenes in movies. Like, as if it should be reserved exclusively for pornography. Which is a very....reactionary cultural take. It's sort of ghettoizing intimacy, and it's very similar to the perspective of prurient Baby Boomers in the 1990s or 00s who wanted every movie that showed a penis to be rated NC-17. I wonder if the Zoomers won't wind up having a lot more in common with their Baby Boomer grandparents than they realize.
- I've seen a lot of tankie zoomers, but the generation on the whole seems pretty woke to the difference between socialism and authoritarianism
- Not so sure... used to think the kids are alright, but have been seeing some disturbing trends from the liberals, who are just conservatives that like rainbow flags and capitalism.
  They know things aren't fair and know there's problems but are prone to the same fascist tricks the MAGAs fell for.
  Hopefully they can pass beyond of this phase, things can go the wrong direction when people organize with violent intentions.
  FTFY 🧐
Every generation has gone through a protesting and getting shit done phase. And before you say it:yeah boomers went through a phase too. Only they were doing things like literally killing themselves/setting themselves on fire to stop wars and regimes. Those protests are where the beatles songs came from. You can only imagine what kind of life they were protesting cuz each generation has created a step up from where the last generation got to. The generation before theirs was fighting for women to be seen as humans and not just property. Many steps for getting to this point had to be taken just so the fight doesn’t have to be about that. But about something else to improve.
It’s like painting a picture and cleaning up the mistakes. Each generation is like a pass cleaning a part of the picture and then you see the next thing to fix.
Bravo for the current generation but Just bestowing the crown for the current generation is just looking at improvement in relativity. It is not absolute.
And you’re still going to find you have meglomanic neo nazis running around somehow existing as an idea in each generation. That goes just to show you each generation isn’t a hive mind.
We tried 🤷
- Not hard enough
Ah yes, let's all start a generation war. How appropriate. This helps all the young people! Oh, wait... Does it?

Cool does that mean they're gonna vote this time

There were the reason Biden won in 2020
Will they have a candidate who seems worth voting for? The answer to both questions is "probably not".
- Old man vs literally Hitler who's also old. But both are equally bad ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ /s
Yeah. It’s the voters fault. Not the candidate. Not the DNC. Not the duopoly. Not the electoral college.
- I've said this in another thread, but American youths just don't vote, unlike older folks. This is not a recent phenomenon, this goes all the way back if you look at voter turnout records stretching back from the 1960s.
  Young Americans from across generations love to complain but don't do anything. In other countries, the youths are more energised and proactive. You'd notice their politicians are much younger, manifesting the youthful proactivity. American politicians are older on average, because older folks vote more, and voters prefer someone who is their peers whether they realise it or not.
- Are you a strawman building machine, by chance?
- If young people actually voted we would have Congress members that understand technology and are interested in fair voting systems. Instead geriatric and withered insider traders or desiccated obstructionist ghouls.
  An estimated entire 1/3 of people eligible did not vote in 2020. Do you understand how much of Congress groups could have with those votes?
  Meanwhile the insurrectionists vote religiously and they have managed to jam up Congress from doing anything at all. If sane, normal people don't vote the building fills up with clowns.

Yay murdering people over ideology, this has never been a bad thing!

Murdering people for harming others, more grey.
- So you guys aren't even upvoting this like "bro it's obviously a joke" you're upvoting like "yeah no I think we should just murder people who do bad things sometimes, maybe even pretty often."
This guy clearly wants the monarchy back.
- Maybe authoritarians dragging you from your home to execute you is a little different from WW2. I do see some similarities tho, the Nazis would drag you from your home for not being far right enough.
  I think maybe, just maybe, mayyyyybe, a political movement mass murdering the folks they consider ideologically impure might be bad.
  Idk tho, I drink a lotta vodka and whiskey, so my utter contempt, disgust, and loathing for murderous ideologues might be a mere ghost. Perhaps I'll wake up sober tomorrow and decide slaughtering people because they don't kiss my preferably-colored boot sloppily enough is actually really based, who knows

It's a joke, you losers

- You'll be first against the wall

You know which brand of "leftists" like pull this kind of shit right? Yep, red fash, fucking Tankies. I'd be fucking worried if zoomers are actually acting like this.

If they're red fash I'll be worried, but if they're just going Reign of Terror or Paris Commune or Anarchist Catalonia, I'll accept my execution with good grace.
- The reign of terror french were pretty proto-red-fash tbch, people don't exactly consider very often WHY it was where the fiercest resistance to this lang d'oil region centered uprising was concentrated in regions like the basque country, bretton country, and the lang d'oc regions. It wasn't that they yearned for royalist ideals to be reinstated, it was because Robespierre and his even crazier backers were so paranoid by the end that something like movements for language rights were treated as exactly as traitorous as plotting to restore the bourbons to the throne with a counter purge to boot.
  Something the modern revolution idealizing french seem to have made fully into one of their "the quiet part" policies with how they implement their version of laïcité.
- "Authoritarianism is cool when "the people" are doing it"
- Okay, Tankie.
- “ I don’t mind being executed as long as the government that ends my life is weak, ineffective, predisposed to being taken over by a dictator, and will surely fail within 2 years of its inception.”
  I dont think I could make a more L take if I tried.
Man tankie is this place's favorite meaningless insult. Y'all use it where it doesn't even make fuckin' sense.
- Tankies we're the type to drag "intellectuals" out to cane them, simply for holding a position at a university.
  Tankies we're the type in Cambodia to literally kill those wearing glasses.
- Referring to people who'd execute "counterrevolutionaries"?
  Mao rehabilitated the last Qing emperor, there's literally no excuse to be ordering state sanctioned murder against anyone else.
- Authoritarian social revolution is absolutely tankie shit, they're proud of it.
- Just wait until you hear the word "liberal" being used as a slur. It's quite a bizarre sight to behold when it's coming from somebody who's not a redneck.
- Then why are there tons of people defending it?
Because you’re conserving the status quo?
Yup. Pay attention, Gen-z. This is what propaganda looks like. If you're too busy fighting for "left" or "right", then you're already gone.
- The left is correct, though.
- No, left is objectively correct. Just not violently murderous

Didn't think lemmy would peak so early in the day for me. This is top shelf shit

Anyone not getting the reference:

“I dream of a society in which I would be guillotined as a conservative.” – Pierre-Joseph Proudhon

As always, but boomers did it first.

“I dream of a society in which I would be guillotined as a conservative.” – Pierre-Joseph Proudhon (1809-1865)
That group sounds based as hell
- There were many other socialist boomer groups active in the 60’s and 70’s. They were vocal, organized, but too small in numbers to enact real lasting change. It wasn’t these groups that sold out the future. Some fled, some went underground, others are still intellectually active.
  So, remember that a significant portion of boomers were just as based as any millennial or zoomer when others bring up the “generation wars.”
  Capitalism corrupts every generation, even this one.

I die happier than I could ever imagine

What the fuck?

Bait. Lots seems to be falling for it too.

What in the Reddit is going on in here

Apparently joking about being executed is a big no-no to some people. Either it's exceptional violence or it's not exceptional violence or it's fascist or it's liberal or it's communist or it's hating the young or it's hating the old or...

is this meme condoning violence or condoning conflating young leftists with violence?

either way this is fucking rancid.

people are being dragged out of their homes to be executed as we speak and none of them by “yesterday’s avant garde.” white supremacy has always been the west’s norm. slavery and economic inequality has always been the norm. violence against those who cannot resist is not edgy or new—it is literally the status quo.

A Biden-supporting, Soviet-hating, Ukraine-backing, US-positive Market-socialist tankie.
Huh. I must be a new breed.
lmao, nice edit. Pretty far from your original stance of "I'm sure this guy is a tankie, I checked his post history!"
- I haven't bothered to check your post history, but assuming that the adjectives you listed are indeed true, I would not consider you a tankie.
- yeah no problem i edited my comment because i don’t care about you that much. :)
  just came here to voice that it’s bile to joke about dragging people from their homes, and i believe my edit reflects that.
It's an old joke, about how today's avant-garde or radical is tomorrow's establishment. To quote Pterry, 'We Shall Overcome is a song which, in various languages, is common on every known world in the multiverse. It is always sung by the same people, viz., the people who, when they grow up, will be the people who the next generation sing We Shall Overcome at.
- shame on you for using pratchett to justify violent authoritarian bile. disgusting.
This should be the top comment. Gold.

guys the joke is that the leftists start to act on similar ways that right winged folk did

Yet again, rightwingers prove they're illiterate
Yeah no one is clearly seeing this. You go far enough to either side and both are using violence and force to get what they want.
- Unfortunately, systemic change always takes violence, or at least the threat of violence. Every case where peaceful protest ever worked there was always a parallel violent movement. Any non-violent movement that gets anywhere close to real victory can also count on violence from the other side.
- It's the only thing that works.
  Ever.
- You don't think the liberal center uses violence? What do you think laws and the police and military are?

This post just proved this app is an echo chamber.

Which one, Jerboa, Boost, Eternity, Sync, Voyager, Thunder, Combustible, or Liftoff?
How? There's been a bunch of discussion and disagreement in the comments, so clearly not.
literally, i knew lemmy.world was bad but im genuinely horrified to witness it to this degree

Yeah let's all be extremist terrorists, what could possibly go wrong? Let's kill those that think even slightly different from us because history has show that to be w great idea, no?

Idiot

Edit: wow, there are a lot more fascists here than I thought, look at all those down votes.

Pfff, learning from history? I don't see that happening too much these days.
Yeah, let’s do absolutely nothing, and keep things the same.
- There's a pretty large delta between doing nothing and murdering people.
- That is very much acceptable, killing other people is not.