[Outdated, please look at pinned post] Casual Conversation @lemmy.world

1y ago

On lemmy everyone acts like reddit is dying and only the worst part is still there. and on reddit they are saying lemmy didn't catch on and reddit's worst part are here so reddit is now better .

I personelly think lemmy users doesn't just have that reddit feel where if you referenced something most people will get it or when you say something everyone will say the same thing and fill the thread .and people on lemmy seems to think they are absolutely right.

(EDIT :I am not saying i miss these thing or like them even though i kinda do i am just saying things like that were a part of reddit culture like how 4chan have their on culture. Like lemmy is supposed to be a reddit alternative but now there are no niche subs and everyone is too into politics it just doesn't feel like a reddit alternative .) .

I have been on lemmy for more than 2 months and i mostly lurked or had temp accounts with different usernames (there were only one or two which i have now closed) but this place seems more serious than lighthearted fun but i will still stay here becuase f**k corpos . So these are my views and opinion what do you guys think ?

EDIT: I must include one thing which is on reddit i have never had a real account i just made one or two the entire time i used it which were throwaways that i used to view a post from "subs that are not reviewed" and may not be safe (unless in their app of course -logic.exe missing) or comment . Here i have aldready decided to create a permanent account and start contributing to the communities and i have only been here for 2 months. And i guess i just used reddit to access information and just didn't felt the need to have an acc or contrubute .END RANT.

EDIT : DO READ THE EDITS.

EDIT : I AM NOT IMPLYING OR EVEN WANT ANYONE TO GO BACK I REALLY DO WANT LEMMY TO BE BETTER . I AM NIT SHOUTING I AM JUST AFRAID SOME PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE WRONG IDEA . AND FOR WHAT ITS WORTH IN MY OPINION REDDIT IS SHIT COMPARED TO LEMMY. SO PLEASE NO ONE GO BACK AND IF YOU HAVE ANY REDDIT FRIENDS INVITE THEM HERE.

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The difference for me is Reddit started treating it's loyal users like sellable assets. I loved Reddit, it was a comfort zone for a long time, but they betrayed my trust, so I left and I have no intention of returning.
I doesn't matter if Reddit is really dead or not. They are dead to me.
- Amen
  
  Not just the amen, but the awomen and the achildren too.
- Yeah dead to me too though now and again i go there for informarion with adblock of course.
- Me too

Lemmy not catching on and Reddit dying aren't mutually exclusive, unfortunately. I personally know quite many users who left Reddit, but never made the jump over to Lemmy, because they mostly stayed on Reddit due to particular communities. With those communities getting decimated during the APIcalypse and its fallout, they had little incentive to join Lemmy.
Ultimately my personal opinion is that Lemmy is going to persist, even if it doesn't cross certain thresholds, it is still a part of the larger Fediverse and due to its interoperability, Lemmy can benefit from the success of the Fediverse, even when not being all that successful by itself.
- Ultimately my personal opinion is that Lemmy is going to persist, even if it doesn’t cross certain thresholds, it is still a part of the larger Fediverse and due to its interoperability, Lemmy can benefit from the success of the Fediverse, even when not being all that successful by itself.
  Exactly

It seemed to me like Reddit basically drove off half their content creators AND Lemmy didnt really steal too much of Reddit's userbase (around 1%)
I stopped posting there when it was clear they were hell bent on enshitifying the site. It was kind of dead here for a while after that and still isnt where reddit was/is contentwise but its getting there slowly. It is certainly to a point where I dont feel like going back to reddit for anything.
- It seemed to me like Reddit basically drove off half their content creators AND Lemmy didnt really steal too much of Reddit's userbase (around 1%)
  Yeah, this has been my experience as well. Reddit likes to say "all the shitty people left and went to Lemmy", and they seem half right - a bunch of people did leave. But most of the content of reddit is extremely stale now. And most of the shitty people that left reddit didn't go to Lemmy, they just fucking left.
  Sure, some Lemmy instances have attracted garbage, but most of the threads here are like 1% of the amount of posts but 80% of the content I care about so it just feels more efficient. Less garbage to trudge through, especially in the comments.

Reddit: 80% absolutely vacuous memes or self references. Gimme gimme dopamine I want more pls. 20% political news
Lemmy: Same but more like 50/50. Small percentage of very satisfying human or creative content like Reddit of old. Also every person is convinced they're right about everything and you're a moron for thinking different.
Mastodon: Everyone's a game developer or an artist, very high quality content but makes you feel useless in your life
Twitter: WTF why does Tucker Carlson live here now when did this happen
Bluesky: Lol
Meta: GREETINGS FEDIVERSE HUMANS. MAY I EXAMINE YOUR DATA FOR PURELY ETHICAL REASONS PLEASE
- What's blue sky ?
  
  Invite only (up until a few days ago) Twitter 2.0
  
  Twitter with fewer people.
  
  Exactly

Lemmy won but Reddit didn't lose.
Lemmy culture was great during the initial exodus, but now sometimes I don't feel like I belong here. On Reddit, you could often find your subculture. I want the fediverse to succeed tho.
- Why not make the community you want? I made !micromobility on Lemmy and people seem to like it.
  
  Do heelys count as micromobility?
  
  I did. !streetwear@lemmy.world
  I'm constantly on the verge of giving up on it because nobody posts except me 💀
  
  I think that's the answer. But have to make a community with broad enough scope to draw enough people to be active I think? E.g. instead of fountain pens: writing instruments so you get the pen, pencil, typewriter, etc. fans.
  
  Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !micromobility@lemmy.world
- Yeah exactly my thoughts

Ads. I loathe them. I will not engage with your community that forces adds.
Sure, I miss Reddit, and Youtube, and Netflix, etc., but I'm happier having stood for my principles.
- I just think Kbin is neat!
- Me too

I don't really care, as long as I can keep avoiding it I'm fine. I replaced my muscle memory which was what kept me going there for so long. For the rest, we'll see how things go.

that reddit feel where if you referenced something most people will get it or when you say something everyone will say the same thing and fill the thread
I think that's what people want to get away from for the most part.
I like the more serious discussions, and when there is humour it tends to feel more genuine than just a rehashed joke. Reddit definitely has more content though, and more discussion on specific communities (formula 1 being one example, here there'll be 1-5 comments on a thread that on reddit will hit 200+).
Right now I use both, I think they both have their place, but I do prefer lemmy.
- The top 3-5 comments on Reddit are always low effort jokes or puns.
  I still try to be silly occasionally on lemmy even though my sarcasm is rarely noticed. I don't care I still prefer it here.
  
  I used to play a game where I guessed the top comment on a post. I was right more than I'd like!

Honestly, I do wish more people used Lemmy, especially for more posts and engagement for certain communities. But also, I like the smaller user base on Lemmy. I only lurked on my old reddit account because it was too populated to have real discussion. Here I feel more comfortable commenting or posting because it feels like there's a chance my comment will be seen. Also, I just don't care all that much about being on social media anymore. Feels better to have more healthy activities.
If Lemmy ever picks up, great I guess. If not, oh well. As long as I don't have to use that godforsaken reddit app, I'm fine.

Except that Lemmy did catch on.
It didn't catch on to the point that it got as big as Reddit, but anyone who expected that is a fool. It caught on to the point that it's viable - it's not going anywhere. And as time goes on, it's going to continue to grow. And that's sufficient, and really IMO to its advantage. Lemmy has a different feel from Reddit, and I like it better. And the new users it attracts over time are going to be people who appreciate it. And if the bulk of the meme-regurgitating karma whores stay on Reddit, all the better for Lemmy.
- I have no idea and don't have the time now to check, but I'm curious what the initial user base for Reddit was when people left digg in comparison to the Reddit to Lemmy move, also how long it took for Reddit users to overtake digg users
- Biggest difference between Lemmy and Reddit for me is that when I go to view my notifications every day and feel that apprehensive feeling of "Fuck, who am I fighting with/defending myself from now?", it's almost always good vibes and pleasant responses. Except when I criticize popular fantasy authors and make everyone mad for a day. But that's on me.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I can't go on r/all anymore without blocking 99% of subreddits. It's all garbage. Meme after stale fucking meme and copies of memes and memes on top of memes inside of memes and ughhh. A waste of electricity and everyone's time and the only reason anyone participates is because it give the illusion of social interaction without actually providing it. There are some decent niche subreddits that still have living communities, but a significant fraction of "interactions" on reddit generally are bots circlejerking bots to get their karma threshholds so they can spam with Spez's approval. The general user isn't allowed to use an app so they can force you onto the main app, but botspammers can abuse the API all day long because it give the impression of a userbase that doesn't actually exist ahead of their IPO. I would guesstimate the number of active bots on reddit right now is higher than the number of active humans.
Fuck reddit.

Reddit feels very hollow to me, and it's something I've noticed more having avoided it for several months. On the Steam Deck subreddit for example, nearly all the posts are 'hey I just got my Deck!' and it's just people fishing for upvotes. Endless pointless posts and rarely any meaningful discussions. I don't think Reddit is dying and I hope it doesn't, because every now and then it's super useful when you find some old post from 2011 where the poster had the exact same niche IT issue as you with a helpful solution. The culture in general over there sucks though.
I've found a good mix of serious and lighthearted content on Lemmy.
- Yeah and not it’s not just with the Steam Deck either, it’s basically every hobby subreddit. 3D printing is a ton of “I just got my Ender 3 can’t wait to do my first print!”, Xbox is “Just got my Series X can’t wait to play!”, self hosting is “I just bought this Optiplex off eBay what should I host on it?!”, etc, etc, etc.
  I stopped following a bunch of subreddits way before the API changes due to basically half my feed being crap like that.
- On the Steam Deck subreddit for example, nearly all the posts are 'hey I just got my Deck!' and it's just people fishing for upvotes.
  Yeah i too hated that.

and reddit's worst part are here so reddit is now better.
Reddit's worst part is Spez. I hope Spez isn't here.

All I care about is not being forced advertisements

- What about those particular instances is so bad?
  
  If you're not familiar, r/ChapoTraphouse was the left wing version of r/The_Donald, complete with trolling and brigading. And like r/T_D, it got banned, then remade, then banned again, etc. Until most of their users switched to lemmygrad and hexbear, particularly the more toxic users.
  
  I assume those are the instances from which I occasionally catch stray misc political statements that seem to be goading me into a fight.
  They get bored quickly if you talk to them like people, they target people with tempers. Works well.
  Who knows though.

I'm here, but would still be on reddit if their app didn't suck compared to what I was used to before the API purge. I still prefer reddit's content, but hate how I have to view it now so I'm here with y'all trying to blend in.
- Lemmy was half edgy "fuck reddit am i rite?" spam around the initial exedus. It took a while for people to move on to something else and when they did, it was fine. But back then it was really cringy.
- Me too but also in here for my personnel moral,ethics.
  
  That's why I came here initially, but I miss some reddit communities enough I'd go back if their app wasn't trash. Here I get too many star trek and DnD memes, constant reminders I'm not as good of a person as I thought, and Linux posts.

Don't care, reddit deaddit.
Gotta hop off the eshittification train somewhere.
- Yeah
  
  Say less

I genuinely never engaged with Reddit at all, so I'm not in a position to compare, but I don't think the numbers suggest that Reddit "is dying" or even that it got significantly impacted.
Which is fine by me. If anything, the vibe here is less Reddit and more "late 90s/early 00s forums" and that's an improvement on my book.
- I agree with you and in a way both sides are right.
  The folks who want the nice vibe and early web feel like it here better, and the ones who stayed on Reddit are happy us old hackers aren't olding up the place anymore.
  
  You also recognize users more often on here, I run into your comments all the time. hi.
- Exactly

everyone will say the same thing
Glad that was left behind
no niche subs
We don't have enough people yet. It'll happen if we grow.
more serious and politics
I think the people who had strong enough opinions to leave reddit probably have strong opinions about other things too
Reddit had its time, I'm ready for something different. I can still use it as stackoverflow 2 when I need to google something lol

I'm really not sure where this argument could come from that somehow all the bad drained out of reddit?
Every time I visit that site, I'm met with 200 reposts.
Yes, we get it, you're not happy with your earning power as a young person. Yes it is indeed very sad that somebody you once saw in a TV show died. You don't like the politics of your region, I understand.
I literally do not even understand why people go there anymore, there is nothing novel or meaningful to be gained from visiting that site.

Eh, I go back on Reddit every few days, it's definitely worse. Faker, more moderated than before (tons of deleted posts and banned users). People are the same assholes as usual though so that hasn't changed much. Also these communities take time to grow, alternatively, there is nothing wrong with them being small either.
- Honestly I'm quite surprised it has any moderation anymore. Didn't they gut moderating tools and alienate most of the mods? I'd've expected it to be a lawless wasteland

Reddit blocked my favourite app (Apollo) and now block every IP I use (proton VPN) so I don’t use it because they’ve made it too hard to use; not because I hate them.
Don’t get me wrong, I think reddit itself is a terrible company who I feel better not supporting, but I’m not going to act like there isn’t value to the content hosted there.

I mean, do people think reddit will get better once it IPOs?

I go back to reddit occasionally for certain things, and I'm always instantly reminded how many more trolls and alt right losers reddit has. So I think it's safe to say we have the better community, even if reddit isn't dying.

I don't really have a choice, Reddit became unnavigatable. But still it's true, we're all vegan DIY communists here, so careful where you tread... Redditor
- You got me

What's being called "worst" changes from one platform to another, and also the metric for thriving/success/failure/dying. So, more objectively, here's what I believe that will happen:
[Almost sure] Reddit will die in the next 1~2 years. The death will be caused by noise, brain drain, lack of moderation, and higher-up abuse. Reddit is by no means as resilient as Twitter.
[Somewhat certain] The "Fediverse forums" will enjoy some moderate success. They won't become as big as Reddit, but they'll get way bigger than they are now.
[Somewhat certain] Lemmy and Mbin will become part of a plurality. Other forum platforms for the Fediverse will appear, and compete with both internally.
[Uncertain, but worth mentioning] Lemmy will become rather small in said plurality, as one of those in-Fediverse alternatives will have killer features that Lemmy won't develop due to lack of interest, in a vicious cycle.
- Interesting perspective, as always

I’m in a fair amount of niche communities here.

Your first part about references was one of the things I disliked the most about Reddit where someone would make a pop culture reference and it would spiral into.a comment chain of just quotes with no originality, I'm glad that hasn't caught on in Lemmy.
My second least favourite thing, US defaultism, is alive and well on Lemmy unfortunately. On Reddit you would be told it's an American website and to deal with it, well this is the fediverse and I don't want to deal with it. Just say where you are from or what country news are about, it's not much to ask.
- deleted by creator
  
  American or not, online we’re a global community, and it never hurts to remind of that reality when needed.
  Very refreshing indeed. Glad we have less to feel like we are all using a specific country's website

Reddit was tolerable because of the app I used. With the apps gone, old.reddit a pain in the ass to use, and new reddit being a garbage mobile site, there's little reason to go back. Using it's site is such a chore, it's no longer worth it, even if it did have great content at one time. The content was getting pretty recycled even into the mid 2010s though.

Duno i dont even think about reddit anymore. I just enjoy beeing able to post in comunitys that have actuall working moderation instead of side wide mods that dont get niche cultural refferrences.

Reminds me of that Don Draper meme

I really miss the worthless internet points.
- Can't agree or disagree because i never had a real account.
  
  On kbin / mbin you can see your worthless internet points again (as well as who it was that upvoted or downvoted you). You can live in that world once more.

Edit: I edited the edit because people were not reading the edits when I created new edits
Edit : also I miss edits
Edit: BTW I am not saying edits are good or bad.

Hmm. Yeah, I think it's less of either one dying, but a stirring event causing a sorting.
I didn't like what was happening over there, so I tried anything but reddit for a while, and the fediverse fit me better, so I settled here.

For the first few months after the API disaster I used Lemmy exclusively but then I came out as trans and went back to Reddit to read and participate in the trans subreddits because on Lemmy they don't have as many participants, resources and info.
Right now I'm at a point where I don't need it as much anymore and I'm ready to slowly get back to Lemmy only.
Although I mainly use Bluesky now since many artists switched to it and the feed is so much more controllable compared to Mastodon.

All I can say is, lmao

I'm active on both sites, my Reddit profile not being a secret to most communities on Lemmy. I don't see so much of an issue regarding either one, the transition not being any different from, say, alternating between Netflix and Amazon. The only thing I'd say bugs me is in fact the Reddit complaints, since people on almost every single site I've been to with a place for complaints have complained at least once about Reddit, like it's trendy even though it's actually better than most sites.

I started reading but then remembered I don't give a shit about reddit. The only people that bitch about reddit on lemmy and the addicts. It's just a fucking website, use it if you like it or move on. Nobody cares and neither platform will get better by bitching about the other.
- Maybe if you have fully read it you woulda've understand that was not my point.

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