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Zelenskyy will arrive on Capitol Hill to grim mood as Biden's aid package for Ukraine risks collapse

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy will arrive on Capitol Hill to a darker mood than when he swooped in last winter for a hero’s welcome, as the Russian invasion is grinding into a third year and U.S. funding hangs in balance.

Zelenskyy’s visit Tuesday comes as President Joe Biden’s request for an additional $110 billion U.S. aid package for Ukraine, Israel and other national security needs is at serious risk of collapse in Congress. Republicans are insisting on strict U.S.-Mexico border security changes that Democrats decry as draconian in exchange for the overseas aid.

“It is maddening,” said Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., a close ally of Biden, of the stalemate. “A very bad message to the world, to the Ukrainian people.”

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Military support for Ukraine has been a huge job creator in the USA. More than 80% of the investments never left the States. The biggest winners are states like Pennsylvania, Texas, Arizona, Wisconsin and many more.
Everyone asking to stop military aid for Ukraine basically asks to stop funding those states, and on top helps all adversaries of the US, effectively weakening the US in the long run. The costs would be immeasurably high. Plus, the US reputation on the world stage will suffer for a generation or more when we give eastern Europe to Russia.
On the flip side, helping Ukraine will boost US economy, strengthen the Western alliances and deter anyone who dares to wage war against us or our allies. It has only benefits and can be easily achieved.,
- Here in Alabama we make javelins. It has ben a pretty big boost to our economy. At least that’s what the papers tell me.
  
  Have you heard of Saint Javelin?
- Reputation? Really? I mean, they can keep sending support for Ukraine all they want but to act like this has anything to do with reputation is pretty funny especially in the wake of the US blocking the Gaza ceasefire vote.
  This country has shown time and time again they don't really give a shit what it's reputation is on the world stage, regardless of administration..
  
  Since WWII and even before allies, the EU, Japan, Australia etc have had confidence of the support of the US. That is essential as we work on our own geopolitical needs. To abandon a country in the middle of a fight will only decrease that confidence.
- Do any of you have any actual evidence to back up this assertion either way or is this thread inundated with people talking out of their assholes?
  🤔 I wonder what kind of a clever comeback you'll offer in lieu of evidence, like you did the other guy down below.
  
  Evidence of what? One thing that's clear, those always quick to ask for evidence are those that have not read much and have no other response to the point. So they make the OP do their research work for them.
Republicans are insisting on linking it [the aid package] to strict U.S.-Mexico border security changes
I'm confused here. Trump ran on a platform of building the wall. They promoted all these stories about the wall being built and how it was the greatest wall ever. Steve Bannon raised a bunch of money privately for his We Build the Wall plan to build more wall.
So why are Republicans now claiming there's a crisis at the border with migrants pouring in unchecked? Are they saying that Trump is incompetent and didn't actually solve a problem he campaigned on? Are they suggesting Bannon is a grifter and scam artist? Or is this just a made up problem that they want to campaign on indefinitely?
- Are they saying that Trump is incompetent and didn’t actually solve a problem he campaigned on? Are they suggesting Bannon is a grifter and scam artist? Or is this just a made up problem that they want to campaign on indefinitely?
  Woah woah, expecting any of them to have two consecutive thoughts that are consistent with each other is way too high a bar for this crowd.
  A new reality begins with each sentence in the modern GOP.
  
  Remember: “Alternate reality”
- An election is coming up and they want to whip the racist members of their base into a panic.
  "You don't need healthcare, you need a big stupid wall that does nothing because Mexicans."
- Because walls don't fucking work. Lol
The industrial military complex is built on funding for proxy wars with Russia. I wonder if the issue this time is that they are worried that with Russia directly involved instead of by proxy, this war may end up breaking Russia if they lose. Dismantling the perpetual antagonist that motivates further funding of the war machine is not in the interest of those who make money on wars.
- I mean, China will still exist and is way better Boogeyman.
The big thing up their asses will be when the US recovery that aid from them.. 🤣🤣 there is nothing free in this world they will have to get on their knees at the end.
Since this bill also contains a ton of free genocide money for israel let's hope the Republicans keep blocking it.
Shame on Biden for combining defense money with genocide money.
- If they weren’t combined republicans would approve Israel and vote against Ukraine.
  When you want to shame someone think about the consequences of the other options, and/or put yourself in their shoes.
Tougher times for sure, but a particularly good leader can rally a mood just themselves, with words, nothing more.
He's been compared to some truly titanic wartime leaders. But it's time to see what you've really got Zelensky.
For the record, I'll be perfectly content if he just doesn't make anything worse. Historical superheroics isn't genuinely necessary, just a proud, hardworking man doing what he must for his country. That would probably go over fine here in America. People remember he's just some dude, a comedian no less, we would understand that.
But if he's got it in him, he could give some sort of Gettysburg Address type thing. Short, sweet, and hard-hitting.
edit because copy/pasting the whole thing was probably a little ostentatious.
- He did great. But this point is more of a nadir, when allied interest is flagging and he could start to feel betrayed. And he's not fresh, he's been beaten down and hammered by all the constant challenges.
  You can just see it in his face. This is when he could really rise to the occasion, though.
Military support for Ukraine has had a negligible impact on job creation in the USA. Less than 20% of the investments remained within the States. The states mentioned, such as Pennsylvania, Texas, Arizona, Wisconsin, among others, haven't significantly benefited.
Supporters advocating to cease military aid for Ukraine argue for reallocating funds within the US, preventing unnecessary expenditure, and redirecting resources to domestic needs, thereby enhancing the nation's resilience. Continuing this aid risks draining resources and involvement in conflicts that don't directly benefit the US, potentially weakening the nation's position.
On the contrary, investing in domestic initiatives rather than foreign aid could fortify the US economy, allowing for stronger internal infrastructure and economic growth. This strategy could promote self-sufficiency and prioritize addressing local issues before extending help to other nations. Additionally, diverting resources from foreign endeavors might help combat the prevalent health issues related to excessive cocaine consumption within the country.
- Excessive cocaine consumption? You’re 30 years out of date. We’ve all moved onto opiates and meth.
  Also, not sure where you’re sourcing that 20% but OP has posted sources that put that number far higher
  
  OP has no idea, he's living in his mum's basement lol
- Tell me you're a juvenile without telling me you're a juvenile
  
  Sounds more like a bot to me, day old account.

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