Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
Gaza says Israel's strikes on refugee camp kill more than 195 people
U.N. human rights officials said Israel's strikes on the Jabalia refugee camp could be war crimes.
- Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
- Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
- The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas' cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
- U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.
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The sad thing to me is that I don't think either government genuinely cares about the 195 deaths except as political leverage on Hamas's side and 195 fewer problems in Netanyahu's way.
I really struggle to see what leverage Hamas gains by fudging their numbers. It feels like a talking point to reduce the fatality count.
This number, half this number, quarter this number... the political reality is the same. Murmurs of condemnation while the US keeps the money pump going, Israel keeps commiting war crimes, and Palestine shrinks into nothing.
It's mostly to make their own people more sympathetic to their cause, I'd imagine.
You think entire city blocks bombed and leveled to the ground, entire families just disappearing from existence is not enough to sympathize, so they need to fake the numbers?
Sorry to be replying so late, (original poster of the post that generated all these comments here) but I think you're missing the forest for the trees. You're right that entire families disappearing probably will get more people to sympathise. That was my original point. Hamas wants innocent Palestinians dead just as much as Israel does. Whether they'll fudge numbers to move that needle up or not is not really important at that point: some people just feel like in the face of that political reality, is it really so unlikely that they'll do so?
According to world organizations, the ministry of health's numbers were accurate enough before, so they considered it to be reliable.
However, it is important to emphasize that Israel is bombing civilian buildings and ambulances, because some brain dead people still think Hamas is doing that.
Also, if we're gonna argue about how many thousands of innocent civilians and children have died and saying stuff like "It's not 9000 civilians, it's actually less", as if less thousand of civilian casualties is OK, then we lost our humanity.
Feels like you're conflating all the Israel-Hamas issues together. None of that is relevant to what I said (maybe the first sentence is?) and I agree with most of it.
Who's talking about sympathizing? I'm talking about joining them. It takes a bit more than sympathy for victims to become a terrorist.
When someone bombs your home, your entire neighborhood, and kills your entire family, you don't need someone to convince you to fight back.
That applies to every single person there, does it? What are you even talking about lmao
Everyone in Palestine has been suffering from Israel for literally decades. Nobody needs fake numbers to fight the oppressors.
By that logic, every single person there should be a terrorist. Tell me, are they?
You got it backwards. Palestine people are fighting for their freedom against their oppressors.
Backwards? As opposed to fighting for freedom from people they are oppressing, you mean?
I think the decimation is doing plenty. The fine details of the number of casualties isn't really relevant.
Says who? Of course the number of deaths is relevant.
Doesn't seem to be relavent to the world, as Israel is still massacring people and the world stands and watches.
The world is not who this propaganda is meant for, though convincing outsiders of their cause is probably a welcome side-effect
Israel is still massacring people and the world stands and watches.
Intent is the difference between collateral damage and massacres. Israel is attacking military targets that Hamas hides among Gazan civilians. Hamas attacks civilians for the sake of murdering and kidnapping civilians. It's wild how many here seem to be keen on supporting the genocidal underdogs simply because they are underdogs.
Israel has been occupying Palestine, killing innocent civilians and stealing their lands decades before Hamas was even a thing.
That's certainly the Palestinian perspective. Then, as now, there are consequences to declaring war against one's neighbor and losing, then remaining belligerent for 70 years while refusing to negotiate for a viable peace. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005, proving in hindsight that unilateral withdrawal is a bad idea for them in this conflict, given recent events.
No, that's the perspective of anyone with common sense.
You don't negotiate for peace with some that occupies you and wants to give you a smaller piece of your land.
Did you expect the native Americans to just give away their land?
Do you expect Ukraine to give away their land? If Russia won their war on Ukraine, will the world be like "Heh, they won, Ukraine in Russian now."? The answer is no.
You don’t negotiate for peace with some that occupies you and wants to give you a smaller piece of your land.
Then current trends will continue and they will likely end up with less and less until they have nothing. Palestine has no viable path to military victory, it takes more than outrage to win wars. One ignores the realpolitik of their situation at their own peril.
Did you expect the native Americans to just give away their land?
They lost their ancestral lands and have since pacified themselves, because war with the US is unwinnable. Today they have freedom of movement, freedom of return, and full US citizenship. Compare this to how Gaza is faring today.
Do you expect Ukraine to give away their land?
Ukraine still has a viable path to conventional military victory against Russia.
If Russia won their war on Ukraine, will the world be like “Heh, they won, Ukraine in Russian now.”? The answer is no.
They would eventually do exactly this, but I think Ukraine will win. Borders have changed massively throughout human history and eventually the new ones get recognized, because most countries don't ignore the realpolitik of one's situation like Palestine has.
Don't say more you are from Portland. We can meet eachother and mod some discord while eating pizza