China says US military aid to Taiwan will not deter its will to unify the island
China says US military aid to Taiwan will not deter its will to unify the island
China has accused the United States of turning Taiwan into an “ammunition depot” after the White House announced a $345 million military aid package for Taipei.
TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — China accused the United States of turning Taiwan into an “ammunition depot” after the White House announced a $345 million military aid package for Taipei, and the self-ruled island said Sunday it tracked six Chinese navy ships in waters off its shores.
China’s Taiwan Affairs Office issued a statement late Saturday opposing the military aid to Taiwan, which China claims as its own territory.
“No matter how much of the ordinary people’s taxpayer money the ... Taiwanese separatist forces spend, no matter how many U.S. weapons, it will not shake our resolve to solve the Taiwan problem. Or shake our firm will to realize the reunification of our motherland,” said Chen Binhua, a spokesperson for the Taiwan Affairs Office.
“Their actions are turning Taiwan into a powder keg and ammunition depot, aggravating the threat of war in the Taiwan Strait,” the statement said.
China’s People’s Liberation Army has increased its military maneuvers in recent years aimed at Taiwan, sending fighter jets and warships to circle the island.
On Sunday, Taiwan’s Ministry of National Defense said it tracked six Chinese navy ships near the island.
Taiwan’s ruling administration, led by the Democratic Progressive Party, has stepped up its weapons purchases from the U.S. as part of a deterrence strategy against a Chinese invasion.
China and Taiwan split amid civil war in 1949, and Taiwan has never been governed by China’s ruling Communist Party.
Unlike previous military purchases, the latest batch of aid is part of a presidential authority approved by the U.S. Congress last year to draw weapons from current U.S. military stockpiles — so Taiwan will not have to wait for military production and sales.
While Taiwan has purchased $19 billion worth of weaponry, much of it has yet to be delivered to Taiwan. Washington will send man-portable air defense systems, intelligence and surveillance capabilities, firearms and missiles to Taiwan.
The island is already unified, they very clearly reject the CCPs authoritarian, violent demands.
Fuck the CCP, Taiwan is a free country.
Taiwan is a free country.
This is not the position Taiwan holds. Their own position is that Taiwan is an independently governed region of China.
It's only westerners that keep saying it's a country. They don't say that themselves.
Ah yes, giving military aid to Taiwan is turning it into a powder keg and aggravating the threat of war. Firing missile into the ocean all around Taiwan is just a calm and rational thing to do to help ease tensions in the region.
Fuck off CCP.
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Yeah Taiwan has had independence far too long for them to accept being swept into the Chinese system.
A lot of hypocritical trolling in this thread. Tankie lemmy?
And look what happened yo Hong Kong after "promises" anyway! A reasonable person would expect the same treatment or worse for Taiwan
They were never really “dependent” to begin with. It was a split, and Taiwan is what remains of the OG Chinese Government. They’re kind of MORE legit that the CCP.
It's not America's job to intervene in a civil war in East Asia. I'm not sure how it doing so could be seen as anything but provocative.
The vast majority of American microchips are made in Taiwan at TSMC, if the people’s republic of china controlled this it would be devastating for the US and most western countries as china would have complete control over military chip production and likely would have access to American military secrets embedded in microchips produced there. It is of utmost importance to the entire western world that Taiwan maintains their self-government, whether or not it really is a part of china.
The fact that you call it a civil war is all we need to know.
edit: my bad, looking at your home instance would have been an even better way of immediately knowing you're full of shit.
edit2: and yes, I am fully aware that both Taiwan and the PRC officially view themselves as the legitimate government of the whole of China but it's pretty fucking clear that in practice they are separate countries to anyone who is not snorting red propaganda like a champ.
It actually is their job. They have several treaties from SE counties trying to avoid being abused by China that go back decades
It is because they have had a defense pact for years. So it's very much part of its job. Taiwan is the legitimate government of China and has simply been stuck off the cost in exile for years. The US never should have normalized relations with an illegitimate government in the first place.
Arming a secessionary territory after protecting it with European interventionism for decades is literally making it into a powder keg. Deliberately demonstrating military capabilities, like detonating over 1000 nuclear bombs in territories inhabited and used by the world's indigenous peoples, from the Pacific Islands to the deserts of Turtle Island, is a calm and rational deterrent strategy.
You are projecting your Western atrocities onto other people. Again.
The Chinese Civil War ended without Mao being able to capture Taiwan, where the KMT moved its Republic. No secession necessary. It was part of the ROC before the war and never part of the CCP.
Put your propagandized version on the bookshelf next to the story about your tanks running over your own youth to preserve your authoritarian system.
And you talking about indigenous people while you try to eradicate the Uyghurs in Xinjiang is another book on that shelf.
Except I hate all the terrible shit America does and have no delusions about its terribleness. Two things are similtaneously true about Taiwan. They do not want to be under the control of mainland China and deserve to live free from oppression. Yet, under the rules based international system of sovereignty that is not based on popular sovereignty, mainland China has a substantial claim to Taiwan. This doesn't make their claim ethical or morally right as the system itself was made by imperial powers.
China is in part terrible because it has to exist in the terrible international system of imperialism and global capitalism. They needed to adopt the practices of global capitalism, imperialism, and nationalism to compete on the world stage and avoid being victims of imperialism. This doesn't make China the heroes, as they do the evil themselves, but it explains some of the evil. I don't know how to dismantle a global system, but only a fool would take China's word that they'll totally do communism in the future, especially when they have so many tools for enslavement.
Taiwan would never attack China, the only way a war between China and Taiwan happens is if China invades Taiwan.
China saying this increases the "risk" of war is nothing but doublespeak.
If anything decreases the risk of War as in it decreases the likelihood China will do anything.
Them complaining about it is actually a sign of that the determined is working.
Imperialist China wants to take more land by force.
We should continue to stand up for the sovereign rights of any country being bullied by a larger country.
country
Might want to rephrase this. They do not call themselves a country. They call themselves a region of China.
Is this comment coming from an American? I assumed that it is the case and found it hilarious.
Hey, CCP! You mean 'steal' the island.
Ask Putin how the "fuck around" is doing for his country?
They won’t do anything. The Chinese government is terrified by Taiwan. So sadly the Russians are the only ones who enter the „finding out“.
So sadly the Russians are the only ones who enter the „finding out“.
Counterpoint: It's not sad that there isn't going to be a war, whether or not it might be humiliating to an authoritarian regime.
Maybe all the dead Chinese soldiers will be a deterrent too them
They have an overabundance of men thanks to their stupid one child policy. The easiest way to correct their population numbers is to start a war to kill a bunch of the excess men.
China's population is actually in danger of the opposite extreme, that is, a population crash. They have a very large population currently, and probably will always be on the larger side, but the policy you mentioned, and the fact that it was continued longer than it had any utility, among other things, means that their birth rate is unsustainably low, in the long term, similarly to how Japan's somewhat famously is. Beyond the normal dangers going to war poses to a country, like retaliatory action and economic disruption, losing any sizable fraction of it's young labor force right before having a huge fraction of it's population enter retirement age would be to take a bad situation and make it much worse. While having a significantly higher number of men than women might mean that there is a population of men whos absence would not affect the fertility rate, those people still contribute to the pool of talent and labor in the country.
They have an underabundance of men, and a severe underabundance of women. Their demographics are looking terrible either way.
Edit: here's the population pyramid, doesn't look very pyramidal
Oh, you're talking about Youth Bulge Theory, a theory espoused by the US military to understand where conflicts will emerge and how to control them by killing off military aged males in those region through controlled conflicts.
You are projecting your death worship on people you consider "other". Again.
And people say that calling the West a death cult is an exaggeration
So "unify" is the new "rape and pillage"?
"Unify the island" says west Tawain. Should it read "Unity with the island?"
Yeah, the island country of Taiwan is already united, they don't want a CCP invasion.
I always love it when fucking communists are talking about the actions of all the others that are false, but of course not their own...
No you degenerated cunts, you are the problem! Your lack of democracy, your greed for more and more power, your backwarded political systems and brainwashing of the people is the problem, not the others!
So kindly fuck off please and stop threatening us...or start your war and deal with the consequences! Ask the russians how their very "special operation" is running...
If course they say that, they don't want aid going to Tiwan, so make people think it won't help. You can't rely on an opposing parties appraisal of what it's response is going to be, since they have massive insensitive to bluff.
Edit: here's the population pyramid, doesn't look very pyramidal
doesn’t look very pyramidal
What it says to me is "China has a decade or so left before they won't have the manpower to attempt an invasion".
That to me, is more worrying than reassuring.
Big yikes on that pyramid. Please could you share where you got it from?
Sure, think it's on the wiki https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China
This is a very old blood feud. Taiwan's government is the former government of mainland China (the republic of China) prior to 1949 communist civil war. The ROC ended the qing dynasty, the longest monarchic dynasty in Chinese history and instituted democracy. When the communists took over the republic of chinas leadership were basically fled and the country and established Taiwan. To the CCP Taiwanistill represents the republic of China, and just like north and south Korea, the CCP is still at war with the republic of China (Taiwan).
I think people have some pretty unrealistic expectations about Taiwan.
It's not going to shake out like Ukraine, and that's mostly because the geography is totally different. If this ever does escalate to the point that China goes in militarily there is basically absolutely no chance that Taiwan wins.
Why? Because it's impossible to supply it. Ukraine has held out this long because it's a country with an absolutely massive border and very good train infrastructure. This allows for supplying the country very effectively.
Taiwan on the other hand is an island that will be blockaded as soon as any conflict starts. The only way you will be able to supply it is by breaking that blockade, effectively starting ww3. On top of that the lack of infrastructure means that any supplies sent will be very very very slow, and there will be no civilian traffic to hide weapons shipments.
Hopefully it doesn't ever come to that occurring. But if it does happen we will either be getting ww3 or watching as the blockade simply allows the island to run out of essential munitions and then takes it.
It also means that the difficulty in taking over taiwan, from China, is also that much more difficult.
Every nation that trades with Taiwan has a vested interest in getting past, or preventing a Chinese blockade of the island.
China cannot defeat the combined navies of South East Asia + pacific + USA, plus the coastal batteries and medium-ranged missile capability that taiwan is building up.
China, at best, can attempt to bomb the island into nothing, which also isn't exactly palatable.
They don't need to defeat any of those, because they won't fight. Much like nobody will fight Russia. Because it means ww3.
They will just continue to work on moving chip manufacturing elsewhere, they have that whole thing with moving TSMC to the US but there's so much racism that a lot of the high-skill workers that are essential to research and operations don't seem to want to move. If the US bothered addressing that it would go a lot smoother.
Don't worry, we have contingency plans in place to ensure any attempts at a blockade will militarily fail. Why do you think strategic nuclear submarines openly ported in South Korea and Australia recently?
Get me Dennis Reynolds! We need to get the gang on this “Taiwan Problem.”
age old fight over land