Wake up babe, the succdems made a new political compass
Wake up babe, the succdems made a new political compass
Wake up babe, the succdems made a new political compass
I don't think anyone on the right actually supports Palestine. Inventing a horseshoe to explain a very tiny handful of dudes on the internet who are exclusively trolling, as though they have a legitimate or consistent political ideology. Even the anti-Semites seem to be outweighing their own rabid fascism with their even more rabid Islamophobic fascism.
There are people on the right who support Palestine (the Muslim Brotherhood, for instance), they just mostly aren't in the west/on twitter.
being just anti-israel is significantly different than being pro-palestine. people on the right (especially the far-right as depicted here) are not in favor of palestinian statehood, or their national self-determination, or liberation for their people, or protecting their culture at all. they are just anti-israel.
They're too into the concept of jackbooted thugs shoving muslims into concentration camps to complain its being done by people they would also like to shove into concentration camps
Finally a not shitty political compass.
Westerners had to traverse the great firewall of China just to steal memes
My biggest issue here is the assumption that there must be a side one has to pick in the Russo-Ukrainian war. I’m not supporting Russian but I’m not “Slava Ukraine” either or whatever the hell the libs say. Both countries are corrupt with ultra right problems. I just want the bloodshed to end and a peace deal, which by lib standards makes me a tankie I guess.
That's why I am putting myself right on the border between Russia and Ukraine on the left side.
This is as good as saying that in 1940, you don’t support either the British or the Nazis because they’re both right wing bourgeois governments fighting one another anyway.
The Soviet people in 1940 understood all too well what it meant if the Nazis had triumphed over the British during the Battle of Britain. It would have spelt a far worse struggle against fascism when the Nazis inevitably turn against them.
Similarly, a NATO/Ukraine fascist victory over Russia today would spell doom for left wing anti-imperialist projects across the world. The US taking over of Russia’s vast resources and military hardwares would destroy any capacity of the Global South to assert their economic independence from the West, and to wage armed struggles against the Western imperialists. Furthermore, economic collapses would inevitably lead to far right dictatorships and their brutal execution of labor leaders and left wing activists.
This is why reading theory is so important for every communist. Without the ability to understand the contradictions of capitalism, no socialist movement would be able to get off the ground. Only a constant spiral of defeat awaits them.
This is as good as saying that in 1940, you don’t support either the British or the Nazis because they’re both right wing bourgeois governments fighting one another anyway.
If you’re talking about Ukraine, no way they become the next Nazi Germany. This war has wrecked their productive capacity too much, which wasn’t great to begin with. At worst, they’ll be a poorer Poland.
If you’re talking about US/NATO military hegemony, hate to break it to you but that ship has already sailed. It doesn’t have the ability to unilaterally impose its will like it once did, but it’s still a massive force; there’s a reason Russia engaged in a proxy war instead of directly attacking a NATO member.
Similarly, a NATO/Ukraine fascist victory over Russia today would spell doom for left wing anti-imperialist projects across the world. The US taking over of Russia’s vast resources and military hardwares would destroy any capacity of the Global South to assert their economic independence from the West, and to wage armed struggles against the Western imperialists.
What you’re describing doesn’t sound like a peace deal, that sounds like NATO victory and then some; the West prefers a proxy war as well to actually invading Russia. What I’m talking about would be something along the lines of semi-autonomous status for the separatist regions, a hardline “no NATO membership for Ukraine,” Russia keeps Crimea, but Ukraine doesn’t demilitarize. And for what it’s worth, I think China’s global position is going to come out stronger from all this regardless of outcomes.
This is why reading theory is so important for every communist.
If you’re going to appeal to theory, then cite the relevant theory.
victory over Russia today would spell doom for left wing anti-imperialist projects across the world.
Russia only tacitly supports the ones that poke the US/NATO in the eye. The current government is a nationalist, right-wing capitalist government. Should they win, that would strengthen that side of politics in Russia for a long time, and I truly can't imagine Russia starting its own BRI like China has going on. If a leftist, anti-imperialist project threatens a victorious Russia, the Russians will still come down against it.
I think we can all acknowledge that not supporting the Nazi side of things is the right call, but I don't think we should be so quick to pretend Russia winning would somehow lead to global communist victory. They're still capitalists at the end of the day, the Soviet project is unfortunately long gone.
See, when a NATO lib tells me that the Ukrainian war is just like World War II, I simply ignore them.
proudly revisionist
real radlib iron front hours
Self-aware three arrows symbol user
Some good anarchists I know though discord say "no it doesn't mean that, the Iron Front coopted an existing symbol and applied a meaning to it that wasn't there" which is why I'm not against the three arrows.
But yeah this guy decided to just own it I guess. Fucking wild.
ETA: Oh I should specificy according to said anarchist friend the third arrow isnt supposed to be communism/Bolshevism its supposed to be capitalism.
politics is when imperial core spectators performatively add flags in bio and the more flags they add the politicer it is
Anticommunist socialist. Now where have I heard this before.
What are they shouting outside? 'Sieg' something. Can you make that out?
“Democratic Market socialist, marxist revisionist” is a lot of letters to spell “useless liberal”.
Don't forget the "anticommunist" either.
Fuckin Fascist
map game player
Liberals, liberals everywhere. So many words. A sprawling labyrinth of meaningless buzzwords that all lead to the same core of the maze: liberals.
That's true whether they actually exist or not
It’s not horrible considering the kinds of people I’ve seen on Twitter. The biggest thing is the center line should be moved to the line between Israel and Palestine (under Ukraine ofc). Supporting Israel automatically puts you on the right.
Although it’s not an horseshoe because obviously the reasons for supporting each country vary wildly. Like any chud who supports Russia and Palestine (if they even exist) is 100% doing it just to be contrarian against Democrats.
Basically 6-7 categories, from left to right:
some chuds like russia because they hate queer people
The overlap between that and Trump supporters opposing Ukraine because Democrats support them is probably very large.
Plus Ukraine isn’t very good for queer people anyway.
1st pic
uh, do there even exist people who support Russia but not Palestine?
I have to imagine there's very few of those people around
They do exist, it's mostly Hindutva nationalists.
truue true
in the west though I can't envision these people existing
that'd mean they do support both Russia and Palestine, should be "Muslim country bad"
Russia
oh i know one, they are very religious MAGAs, they hate nazis and NAFOs,
Yeah they’re on the right
Lots of right wingers, yeah.
The right wing who loves to watch a larger, more powerful country bomb a smaller country. People who have an ideological commitment to imperial “spheres of influence”
Yeah, Israel lol
each day i decide a new redditor politics is the most annoying thing on the planet. today it's "market socialists."
bud you're a Democrat. you have Democrat politics. maybe you read Marx, then you read Keynes, then you read Mises, then you go and vote Democrat. Those rare positions you hold that deviate from the Democrat consensus are boutique differences of opinion that merely allow you to believe that you occupy the Reasonable Center between radicalism and apathetic ignorance, but as soon as you fetishize your Reason in these patently unreasonable conditions you've capitulated to the world eaters.
also "map game player" how can someone be so unselfaware good god
you used 14 words when you could have just used 1 and said "liberal"
if it contains "anticommunist" it might as well be the other 14 words
How'd all that shit work out for the SPD? lmao succdems really oughta try reading history some time
If they read history they wouldn't be succdems QED