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Trump urges Senate GOP to overrule parliamentarian

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Trump urged Senate Republicans on Sunday to overrule the chamber’s parliamentarian in order to pass key parts of his sweeping domestic policy bill.

In a Sunday post on Truth Social, the president backed a call from Rep. Greg Steube (R-Fla.) and other GOP hard-liners to ignore rulings from Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough.

The parliamentarian is the nonpartisan Senate official responsible for determining whether parts of laws meant to be passed through budget reconciliation comply with the rules for that process.

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- Unfortunately positions like the parliamentarian are not part of the law of the land and are a procedure put into place by the Senate. That means the senate can remove them at any time.
  It's a bad system and was built to work on "good faith".
  
  Just like the constitution!
  Fuck.
  
  But once they do, notions like the filibuster also fall apart. Republicans have been pretty in favor of using the filibuster whenever Democrats are in power. So they would be torching a really handy tool they like to keep around.
- The parliamentarian exists as a mechanism for the Democrats to blame when they steal defeat out of the jaws of victory
"Not.A.King.Tho'"
--maga
The whole system is being dismantled to the point I keep wondering when it'll suffer total structural collapse. It's less about the "doom" part than the lingering anxiety over the "impending" part.
- It probably won't collapse completely anytime soon. It'll just be warped beyond recognition while the people who are in denial fight tooth and nail to keep the system from collapsing.
  All the while, this warped system will continue to benefit Trump until him or his successor gains enough power to no longer need the old system and can dismantle them completely without meaningful opposition.
  
  i.e. The Palpatine Method
- You get to learn a fun new term: Cascading failures. Ooooh boy it's a good one.
Bouta find out if the parliamentarian is real, or just something Democrats pretend is real.
- According to the article it says it requires only 51 votes to override. So "real" or not if the Republicans actually fall in line like always it once again doesn't matter what the Democrats in the Senate do. There are more than 51 (53) Republican senators, also Vance would vote for it. So they can have 3 people not vote for it and it would override it apparently. I thought the parliamentary would require 3/5 to override, but maybe that only pertained to some of the clauses they took out to ensure it did not require 60+ votes
  
  I'm not saying the Democrats could do anything now, but that they could have done this same thing when Biden was president.
  Democrats certainly acted like they needed a 3/5 override, it's no wonder you thought so.
- It could have been a real thing in the past
Trump: "Haven't you idiots learned from my example by now!? We can do WHATEVER we want! Just do it. No one will stop us! A judge intervenes, we just get another to let us do it!"
So he is telling them to ignore the rules and do it anyway?
- Their plan is just do it whether it's legal or not, it only matters if somebody actually stops them.
I think it requires 60 votes to overrule the parliamentarian. They just want to make a show of it.
- Didn't take them 60 votes to ignore the parliamentarian and revoke the waivers that let California set its own emissions standards.
  The Senate has overruled the guidance of the parliamentarian, a nonpartisan staffer who interprets the Senate's rules, and voted 51 to 44 to overturn a waiver allowing California to set its own air pollution standards for cars that are stricter than national regulations. The Senate has only overruled its parliamentarian a handful of times in the 90-year history of the role.
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