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the DNC is not your fucking friend

A lesson learned after what they did to Bernie...
I have come to the conclusion that the entire system is wholly corrupt, top to bottom. There are decent folks in there, but they are VASTLY outnumbered. Yes, one party is worse, but when given the choice between shot or stabbed in the back, I kinda want to pick neither.
- I still think this is disingenuous. It's not a choice between being shot or stabbed. It's a choice between being fined and getting gassed to death.
  I'm not sure what, if anything, Dems are doing that counts as actually getting hurt. They're just very ineffective. At worst they're the useless bystander screaming instead of doing anything productive.
- And that's how we ended up here. A bunch of mental laziness.

Voting for Trump so things would be more affordable - how's that working out?

Or by affordable "things" do they mean like, corporate mergers and senators...?

Trump promised lowered prices (lied as always) and Dems just said that the economy is doing great. Poor people tend to not have as much time or extra energy to spend on politics. It is a leopard eats face moment and I don’t entirely blame them…I just hope the wake-up call isn’t too late
- The " best economy ever" gaslighting from the dems is almost certainly what lost them the election.
  Sure stocks were great, but that's meaningless if you can't afford anything

and it's hilarious since he didn't actually say what the dems are claiming he did

“Let’s roll out the boogeyman” moment

The easiest way to know you're lying is to hear that you claim Democrats voted for trump lol

There are a lot of people that don't claim a party and simply vote based on the current economy leading up to an election. It's not smart but you know
- So you take for granted that all low income people are "Democrats"? Weird.

Should just make a Liberal Party. The Dems aren’t liberal anymore.

Lol, the Dems are hardcore neo-liberal. They exist to thwart any progressive candidates, while offering token opposition to the GOP.

Because someone is electable in NYC doesn't mean they are electable state or nation wide.

That's not a defence of the DNC

zooey zephyr has the same politics and was elected in montana.
aoc was drawing sold out crowds in utah.
a working class and pro labor message works anywhere
That is true, but offering pragmatic solutions to address systemic problems is something that engages voters
- That's true but the person delivering the message is just as important. Ms. Harris presented many pragmatic solution's but it didn't take because or her.
  Our friend from NYC is young, attractive, and enthusiastic there is very little of that in Democratic party
Third way, go away!
In the past when the middle class votes was larger, the so-called third way was working. But now the middle class is shrinking and struggle as much as the working class, automation is gradually displacing workers, it's now time for more leftist policies. Centrist democrats and neoliberals insist on being time frozen in the 90s and 00s with their outdated policies, because they don't want to lose the patronage of oligarchs.
Very true. Most Americans don't know actually what socialism is, it's just a synonym for "bad." I don't think anyone that describes themselves as one is going to do well with most US electorates, even though the tenets of socialism line up pretty well with their actual beliefs.
The DNC is corrupt and sucks, but they're right to fear this association. If they embraced the socialist messaging today at the party level, they'd likely lose every election outside of the major metro areas and become even more irrelevant than they already are.
- That mentality is why trump is in office again. If they didn’t keep embracing the corrupt neoliberal “we stand for nothing” vision, they might be able to salvage the party.
  Back the blue no matter what, unless… is a joke. The DNC needs to work for the people, not the other way around.
- I think its super important to seperate completely from the DNC as they have poisoned the well with working people, and a socialist party needs to be completely seperate from bourgeois politcs period and make it a point to clarify that they are not a bourgeois or corporate party, no hollywood aristocrats just working american messaging. Right now is the time to trash the dnc entirely and as a sign of good faith we should prob even seek to charge and jail dnc party leaders like pelosi on insider trading etc.
- “Tenets” is the word you’re looking for, just fyi. Tenants are renters