End of 10 is a campaign to move people over to Linux with Windows 10 support ending
End of 10 is a campaign to move people over to Linux with Windows 10 support ending
Honest question. Is there some particular reason why people are against 11? Except the usual reasons people are against windows?
Edit: shoving AI down your throat
And this all besides all the other already present points to shit on Microsoft like the data collection
And any reasons a non-techie person would care?
Have you seen what microsoft is pushing on 11??
No. I once accidentally installed the update, but immediately returned to 10, when I saw how it looks. But I imagine, with some settings and add-ons I can make it look like 10.
The issue is not with the appearance. It's the fact that microsoft keeps pushing AI into everything. The settings app is still shit and missing control panel functionality. There is more to say but these are the main issues afaik.
In addition to the front facing AI features, these days Windows 11 is less an operating system and more a 'suck as much data about this person to train our AI models as we can get away with'.
Windows Recall is one of their AI solutions they're pushing onto people which would screenshot everything on your system in order to assist users in searching through previous desktop interactions and whatnot.
Security researchers are highly against the rollout of this 'feature' as it uses AI and the previous betas have shown that Microsoft is incapable of ensuring the prevention of abuse from malicious users.
Ex: a user entering in their credit card information for an online transaction would have that information stored as an indexable/searchable piece of information by a malicious outsider.
Microsoft has yet to show competance in their abilities to prevent the creation of such a wide attack surface.
Lots more data harvesting. Lots more AI. Lots more malware.
My partner isn't tech savvy. I asked them to type "CPU-Z" into the task bar and instead of it opening the installed CPU-Z on their computer, the first suggested result was a download link for CPU-Z. They clicked it to download CPU-Z and got full-on AI-suggested malware that forced us to nuke their PC
I actually wouldn't mind upgrading to Windows 11, but I ran Microsoft's compatibility tool and it told me I couldn't. I only built my computer in late 2018, and have upgraded storage space since then. But it's nowhere near old enough to need replacing the motherboard or processor.
Microsoft is just requiring an arbitrary hardware specification as an olive branch to their hardware manufacturer partners.
2018 with parts from 2018? Check if your bios needs an update because it should work.
The big one is W11 now requires a TPM chip, so tons of computers will stop getting updates soon, with no way to upgrade.
And they keep getting worse with a bunch of annoyances, like more ads, trying to force ai, making it harder to avoid a microsoft account, and getting rid of ways to customize the desktop layout.
I will have to buy a new pc anyway soon, so I don't mind that. But I understand the other reasons. I'm hoping I will find a way to customize the desktop, as it is important to me. Not to mention blocking ads.
With the steam deck proving that Linux gaming was not only possible but easy, I could remove gaming as a reason to keep windows, which meant the only thing I actually wanted windows for was an Adobe subscription that I hadn't used in over a year. With windows fighting me the whole time, Linux got out of my way and let me use my own device how I wanted to. Which by the way sounds like I'm using it for something complicated or specialized but I'm not, I need it for web browsing, gaming, and light photo editing, that's about it.
So that's the positive case to move away from windows. The other side is that Windows is actively hostile to me as a user. I don't want or need copilot. For starters I don't have the hardware to really take advantage of it, and I don't want it using power unnecessarily. I don't want office 365, I don't want OneDrive, I don't want another UI on top of the 5 other UI frameworks that exist in windows which only serve to make it harder to change things to what I want. I don't want to sign in using a Hotmail account I made when I was 12 and haven't touched in years. I don't want windows telling Microsoft how I use my own device. There's some cool stuff in windows 11 like WSL which is awesome for me as a dev in my day job, but it's not enough to keep me in a system that, by design and direction, is trying to lock me into it.
Xbox app is another example, where my game controllers sometimes work and most of the time don't. Sometimes there's cross play with steam, sometimes not. Sometimes even installing the game doesn't work and I have to re-download the entire game again. Just bafflingly bad and costs me more than steam ever has. Ridiculous.
Gaming is the main reason I own a pc. I understand it's possible on Linux, but is it as easy as on Windows? Not to mention, that I pirate most of my games.
I am contemplating switching to Linux, but I am too afraid, that I will run into something I didn't realize windows is necessary for.
If you use Steam quite a bit, check out the ProtonDB Web site. That can tell you the level of compatibility. 90% of my library seemed to be covered, and it's seamless. I was impressed!
Edit to say: One problem I had was getting my Brother printer to work over WiFi. That was some annoying arcane wizardry, but I finally got it to work.
There are some games that don't work or don't work as well. Some anti-cheat systems don't work but the website protondb.com will tell you how compatible specific games are. For some people that's a deal breaker and that's ok, hopefully as adoption increases the situation will get better. I was disappointed to find out that vermintide 2 doesn't work for example.
I have no idea on the pirating side.
Most of my games work right out of the box, and the ones that have problems are ones that I'd also have to fiddle with for more than a 1-minute check to ProtonDB are ones I'd have to fiddle with on Windows. However I also do not touch anything with online multiplayer or anticheat, and I know games with kernel-level anticheat tend to not handle Linux well on anything but a Steam Deck.
I swapped a PC I had mostly for gaming over to Linux. I'm having a pretty nice time.
As for piracy, I know pirated games that need to be emulated because they are originally Nintendo Switch games or something work well. No idea for pirated PC games.
As far as I can tell it's mostly the TPM requirement and pushing more ads / AI nonsense.
You can easily avoid the latter by using the LTSC IoT version. I just bought a new (second hand) computer for TPM (my old one was very due for an upgrade).
With the IoT version it's absolutely fine. Definitely an improvement over Windows 10. The only issue I've noticed is it doesn't come with Windows Game bar or some nonsense so after you run games you'll get a random dialog about there not being an app available to handle ms-gamelink URLs or something. You can just ignore it. I might fix it one day.
Pro version, install with English UK language and throwaway email account, disable the crap in the settings once install is completed, takes less time than to fiddle with Linux to make it work like you want it to...
Sounds like a lot more fiddling then just going to linux
After spending a day making my wifi antenna work on Mint (when it's supposedly compatible out of the box?), no, it's not.
The last time i installed mint in like 2013 it took less than 45 miinutes. I'm sure in 2025 it's a much more of a smooth experience.
As long as everything works the way it should, sure, I installed it less than a year ago and it wasn't smooth. Just managing the fact that my computer was plugged to a monitor and a 65" TV was a pain in the ass if I didn't want to have to fiddle with display settings every time I switched from one to the other, which isn't an issue on Windows...
That's a bit of an esoteric setup connected to a monitor and tv so i imagine it would take some extra finagling to set up. Maybe there is some sofware thay could help?
Only one to make setting up a keyboard shortcut easier (which is also needed on Windows, although the program is easier to use), but with which it was impossible to make it adjust the scaling properly, I had to settle for everything being way too big on my monitor so it would be correct on the TV.
Just the fact that you have to fuck around with the terminal to do stuff that should be fairly basic (like changing the download or documents folder location, which is just a change done in the folder's properties on Windows) kinda ruins the experience and is a big security flaw as it teaches users to just input whatever some stranger tells them to input in the terminal.
Many can't upgrade to 11 and don't want to buy a new device. They'll believe it's their only option unless told otherwise. It's not necessarily a "Win11 is bad" or "Linux/BSD is better" scenario, just a "to keep using your current device which you paid for less than a decade ago, do the following".
Times are hard and people shouldn't be forced to buy new hardware because of the current monopolistic software companies's latest money making scheme, especially when their old one works perfectly fine and the environment is going to suffer.
Anti-privacy by default, pushing AI slop that takes all your data, more than one improperly checked update rolled out that bricked many computers, shoving Ads everywhere...
Of course you could say these to not be strictly new, but it is a new level of enshittification way beyond what we used to know.
I have a couple of reasons. The first and foremost is that I use windows for two things. Gaming (I dual boot windows and Bazzite for that to cover the few games I haven't gotten to work), and work. My work laptop has windows 10 because the IT department can't get some of the legacy software we rely on to do our jobs to work in 11. The compatibility layer originally wasn't there and now it only works some of the time and every time there's an update it breaks something. As a result we will likely be paying to continue to receive important security updates after 10 sunsets in October.
Additionally, some windows computers lose certain functionality when you install Linux (touchscreen compatibility, pen input compatibility etc. Can I update my personal surface pro to Linux? Yes. Will I? Unlikely. It's way more likely that I'll jailbreak it to force free security updates for the duration. I've run into way too much stuff I've had to have to IT department just straight up turn off in both 11 and 10. 11 is much worse for this though and subsequent updates have a habit of turning that stuff back on because MS wants that data.
So much new telemetry. So many new ads. So much random tracking. Swapping browsers to Edge. Copilot. Etc.
My fedora rig has secure-boot/tpm enabled. But getting that to work isn't something the average windows user is going to do. The average windows user doesn't ever open the command line in windows. And that's the thing I think people in the Linux community need to understand. I grew up with DOS. I spent 30+ years using the command line. I have used windows since 3.0. I have a general understanding of how to get what I want out of windows. I'm learning to do that with Linux but I have been on Linux for like a year and a half. The learning curve when you are already very familiar with something else and have muscle memory for something else is staggering. And I can fully understand why it might be exceptionally confusing and unintuitive for someone who's never had to use a terminal ever.
The fact is, most computer devices are phones. They use apps. There is some overlap in that with windows, but the plug and play nature of how these people are used to doing things is just as important to this conversation as just about ever other point.
Windows even pops up "helpful" tips and tricks because they know that people aren't windows savvy. I personally hate them but I'm not the average windows user.
I'd also like to point out that windows had the audacity to change the design language and somehow make a usable tablet environment worse in windows 11 in a bit to be more macOS-like and I personally really really hate that as well. I have my desktop and start menu set up in a way I like it and windows 11 completely ruins that and in my case makes things harder for me because I am fighting muscle memory. It's egregious to have to pay for the privilege of changing my start menu or task bar. I shouldn't have to go in and doctor what apps are allow during start up. I shouldn't have to turn off OneDrive or office 365. I shouldn't have to turn off telemetry or ads. This is a device I purchased and the OS is not supposed to spy on me.
