2d ago

Supreme Court allows Trump to implement transgender military ban

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People with asthma, flat feet, depression, heart murmurs, etc can't join the military. Why should people with gender dysphoria be allowed to join?
People who would never join the military are the ones complaining. And if they do join, they should be limited to non deployable jobs.
- Having gender dysphoria doesn't impact your abilities on the field. You can still perform all the tasks that a regular person can do. Banning people from joining the military because they are a different gender then they were at birth is moronic, and is just excluding entire groups of people because "MUH WOKE!!! MUH DEI!!!". Americans need to grow up.
- Because we aren’t supposed to exist.
  That’s why the rhetoric is so focused on kids. You torture/conversion therapy/get them to Jill themselves, then act like being trans is a “phase” or “fad” or mental illness or ploy to molest girls. There aren’t supposed to be “real” trans adults.
  
  The only people saying trans people aren’t allowed/supposed to exist are trans people claiming others are saying it when they’re not.
  
  Tell that to POTUS and to UK's Supreme Court.
  
  What does Trump's executive order do other than say trans people are not allowed to exist then? I forgot the part where there was a carve out for trans people.
  
  My friend, anyone who watches the news on an occasional basis knows that you're lying, and that you know you're lying. I'm not sure why you're wasting our time, or yours.
  
  Attention. Don’t feed a troll
  
  Did you forget that executive order that Trump signed?
  
  I have zero regrets about my transition. It really sucks that the place I live treats me as a second class citizen for being transgender, but that is on them and not me.
  Your comments about trans medical care reveal a profound ignorance which isn’t worth engaging with. You aren’t a doctor, and your opinions on endocrinology are probably worth as much as bathroom graffiti. Your opening paragraph is a bunch of stupid, hysterical non sequiturs with no relevance to the current conversation.
  Try again.
  
  Didja know that not all trans people take hormones? Also, they aren’t always in pill form - your comments so far seem to indicate that you have absolutely no idea how trans medical care works. T can even be in pellets which you take every few months.
  People who are on medications can join the military. I imagine someone with medical qualifications in endocrinology would be the person to make that call.
  The military allowed trans people under Obama and Biden with no issues.
  Maybe don’t talk about issues you know nothing about?
  
  The trans who don’t take hormones won’t pass for their desired gender lol
  My first speeding ticket was before I started testosterone. The officer wrote male. My drivers license still said female.
  I do shots, once a week. Started every other week. No deleterious medical effects over the past ten or so years, barring some issues with high blood cell count, which is fairly easy to manage/eliminate. I do it myself - I’m shit at z-tracking but eh, must not be fucking it up too much. Just to give you a data point, because you seem ignorant about trans people in general and I’m glad to educate.
  In a military context I can imagine it would be problematic to give oneself injections, but there are gels and the pellets. Estrogen is a pill, can also be injected. But the thing is, you can go without hormones and it’s survivable. Testosterone shortages have been a routine issue forever. It’s not like having to skip a week detranses you.
  I’m not questioning your knowledge of the military - I am questioning your knowledge of medicine.
  
  I'm not an expert on the trans subject, obviously. But I know it would be problematic in the military, especially in combat situations.
  I don't mean to come off as insensitive, but being a veteran, I have a different perception.
  Sorry you live in a town where people don't understand you.
  
  Nation.
  
  Not every role within the military is a combat role. I very much doubt that people with asthma or flat feet are barred working, for example, as analyst in military intelligence. And if the military does then the military should scrounge up some actual intelligence.
  
  Military intelligence is an oxymoron, no such thing. I wouldn't have a problem if trans or people with asthma join, they'd have to be non deployable and have a desk job or something similar
  
  Lots of people are prescribed pills for lots of things. What the hell does that have to do with anything? You know it doesn't.
  
  Do you know what disqualifies you from military service? You don't. If you're prescribed pills for depression or even for being suicidal, you're disqualified for military service. You can't even lie about it, because they use a genesis program that will list everything.
  You're just a virtue signaler.
- Did you just use some made-up term, so that you could deflect from the real issue? In reality, being trans is not a health problem. I know you want to pretend it is one, so that you can say it's similar to asthma, but you're wrong.
  
  Do you even know what the real issue is?
  Never said it's similar to asthma, but trans people do have to take hormones for the rest of their lives, and there's a lot of disqualifiers for military service as it is. It's not like joining a health spa. It's not just the lives of trans, it's the lives of everyone in the unit. And I know that combat units won't be able to handle that yet. And you may say that they should, but you can't just throw one in there and expect them to handle it, especially when it's a job that deals with life and death.
  You don't understand. You're just a virtue signaler that won't volunteer to join the military.
  Do I care? Nope. But i wouldn't have a problem if there's a waiver, and keeps them out of combat arms. Can't take hormones when you're in a long ass firefight or skirmish. Can't stop evading from an enemy threat just so you can administer those meds. Convoys won't risk driving over IEDs just to deliver them.
  They'd be better suited for support roles if anything.
  Keep being butthurt about stuff you don't understand.
  
  Imagine calling some a "virtue signaler" and then saying the words "Do I care? Nope." Lmao.
  So, what's weird to me is that these people seemed to do just fine in the military, and are now being booted for being trans. So, what's the problem? I mean, the obvious flaw is that not all trans people have to take hormones, and this ban targets people who don't take hormones the same as those that do. But even if they did have to take hormones, they were doing fine before, so what's the issue?
  It seems silly to me that the military, with record low recruitment, would ban a population that has a far higher degree of joining them due to a lot of really shitty factors.
  
  They were able to join because the military lowered their standards because of the low recruitment numbers lol
  
  Trans people were always joining the military at higher rates, and the reasons why are obvious. They were only able to be openly trans recently, but they have been able to be closeted trans since always. Just like gay people. Don't ask, don't tell, amirite?
  When the government literally advertises the military as super masculine, you're gonna get a lot of people that are either really into being ultra masculine and people that feel like they aren't being masculine enough, which are certainly attributes that are likely to fit with people that feel gender dysphoria.
  The other reason, of course, is that LGBT people are far more likely to be homeless from being cut off from their friends and family and have few alternatives, and the military is certainly one of the more effective ways to improve your economic situation.
  This ain't rocket surgery.

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