The treat discourse never ceases to amuse.

What America really needs is a president who would issue edicts that order procrastinating artists to hurry up and finish their works before they die
- You hear that George RR Martin, you absolute fucking piece of shit??
  
  I'll give you a better one: Patrick Rothfuss
  The guy released name of the wind in 2007 and said all three books of his trilogy are already finished, but then it took four years for the next book to come out in 2011 aaaaaaaaaand......nothing; no third book yet, still working on it, for.....what, 14 years with no release date in sight? The fans started out by saying "what, you want him to release a half good book?! I'd rather he take his time and release it as perfectly as possible than rush it!"
  They were saying that for a while, but even now they've lost hope. The reddit for the kingkiller chronicles is hilarious; people keep discussing their theories on the book and every now and again doomposting about how they'll never see the third book. There are people who read the book in high school, then went on to graduate university, get a job, get married and get kids, and are still waiting on the third book.
  At least GRRM released more than just two books (in a trilogy remember) and there was an actual TV show for people to watch while they waited; and at least the TV show ends roughly the same way the books will.
  
  I'm torn on grrm. On one hand he is annoying nerds, on the other hand he is an annoying nerd and the whole "He's not your bitch" stuff is hard to swallow give that he's a multimillionaire who keeps lying to people.
- Doesn't matter; Japan should've done this decades ago and now the berserk guy and the dbz/blue dragon guy both died before they could finish their works. If the one piece guy dies, you'll know about it when even aliens can hear earth screaming.
  
  Ok but the berserk guy died in his 50s, had several health issues and actually accounted for his demise by training someone and leaving behind instructions. GRRM just stopped writing and is playing jurassic park, while greenlighting the 50th mid TV adaption of book background lore.
  
  I wonder how dbz would have ended. Do you think an even stronger guy shows up and they have to fight him but it's hard cause he's stronger than the last guy.

If we don't get to see the wizard BDSM pet play on screen, Western civilization as we know it is over
- the older I get the more I think Goodkind was just a more self-aware version of Jordan lol
  
  Sword of Truth is like the one schlocky fantasy series that I managed not to get into, so I can't compare, but it does not seem like self-awareness ever ended up in Robert Jordan's toolkit.
- Never bond a Warder without their consent folks.
  
  But I must have my magical psychic teleconferenced threesomes! I am the Chosen One!
  
  it's crazy that you even can, even in the context of the magic system

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If billionaires streamed themselves watching shows, they'd get tons of sycophants logging in to watch them react to it. Billionaires are the real superheroes of America.
- They could add a money tipping mechanism and launder money that way.
  ballsackshake just tipped US$ 200000000,00 to BezosInMyMezos

I dunno how they expect the show to be finished when the author dragged it out so long he literally died before finishing it.

I have read and watched enough unfinished tales that I basically wait until everything is complete before picking them up.
- I honestly just avoid anything more than three books long. I don't got time for that shit. Last trilogy I read was the Imperial Radch and each of those books were fairly easy reads.
  
  I can fuck with longer series (Glen Cook's Black Company comes to mind) but it does need to end somewhere.
  
  Doris Lessing's Shikasta series is pretty good and it's 5 books. They're not that long or anything
- Yea I learned my lesson from asoiaf, I'm fine waiting until a series is finished so I don't end up waiting for the end of a story that won't come
  Now that I think about it an unfinished series was what killed my childhood interest in Star Wars. That and the whole legends/canon fiasco (young me was very invested in the Star Wars EU and was not happy about changes to canon lol)
  
  Oh boy Legends. I wasn't happy they ditched that canon either, but at the same time (and at the time) I felt the EU was suffering from the comic book problem of endlessly continuing the story with "the gang" without any real resolution. IMHO short stories like Rogue One or the EU's Tales series are peak because they thrive in the world building without bogging themselves down with Canon.
  
  Star Wars as a franchise is like a major or rather the CASE of "lore bloat", especially since even in legends things contradict or do not fit (thematically or otherwise). In all long running franchise there is this symptom (especially if not pedantically vetted), alongside the "special inflation" aka when objects/cultures/powers/traits who are considered extremely rare or a "big deal" suddenly appear in every instalment. In Star Wars case it is the whole another story where the protag or important side-character is a "Jedi that survived Order 66", even worse when they constantly make characters that previously died in Order 66 survive it (Shaak Ti (my personal exception), Jocasta Nu, Barriss Offee, Luminara Unduli, etc...) like that devalues the event quite a lot.

but.... the Wheel of Time show sucks!
- I'm enjoying it. I'm curious: Have you read the books? The book people seem to hate Wheel of Time the MOST
  
  I think some book fans had dreamed for so long of an adaptation that it was never going to be good enough, but I think what ruined it for me was that it doesn't seem to want to tell the kind of story that the books were telling.
  I remember the first book as this pretty simple coming of age, fantasy adventure, but the vibe I got while watching it was that the writers really wanted it to be more like GoT. And that just felt like such a cynical decision to me, like the point was to sell more by making it more like the insanely popular thing that just ended a couple years ago.
  (My relationship to the books is a kinda complicated. I was hooked as a teen, but feel a lot more ambivalent after a re-read because of the constant sexist garbage I spotted when I was more mature. Like, I'm kinda pissed that teen me was tricked into thinking the weird gender essentialism was a normal, healthy way for men and women to think about each other and themselves, and every other female character is a sexist stereotype. But the nostalgia is unfortunately pretty strong so idk, I never soured completely on it like I did with Harry Potter for instance, so it must have had some redeeming qualities.)
  
  I haven't watched the show, but from what I can tell there are people who hate the show because they read the books and people who hate the show because they claimed to read the books or completely missed the repeated mentions of Morraine and Suian being "pillow friends" in magic college and think the show went woke.
  
  I think part of the issue is that to faithfully translate the books to a TV show you’re looking at guaranteed 7+ seasons and there’s no way that’s gonna get greenlit off the bat so they had to do some adaptations
  
  Not the person you responded to, but having the read the books the show is enjoyable. It barely tries to adapt anything from the books, but the little easter eggs show at least somebody in the writers room is familiar with the source material.
  
  Book reader here, I think some of the stuff they've changed are just bad choices, like Perrin having a wife who exists only to be fridged, or the mystery of who the Dragon is in S1 (everybody I spoke to predicted who it was correctly several episodes in advance), or either of Rand's big hero moments that are supposed to happen at the end of S2 just being skipped. Apparently they just skipped the 3rd book entirely for S3, and while much of the later books will have to be cut, some of the elements set up in that book are essential to the ending.
  
  I have, they are a flawed masterpiece. I saw the first season, the finale was so aggravating that I only interact with the show by siphoning off other book readers anger about it.

As a massive dweeb and fan of the books, I can't even force myself to watch the third season, the season 2 finale left such a bad taste on my mouth. Like they straight up aren't even trying to adapt the plot of the books. Also, Robert Jordan accidentally wrote a trans character (who I personally really like) and if the show does get that far, I'm sure they will somehow handle it worse than a guy in the 90s who didn't even know what a trans person was.
- The 8-6 episode megabudget cgi-galore but whack writing/characterization with a wait time of 2+ years shows, are the bane of modern TV culture.
  
  Fucking preach
- Wait, is there a trans character I'm forgetting or do you mean ::: spoiler spoiler the male Forsaken (I forget which) who gets reincarnated in a woman's body explicitly as punishment for failure? :::
  
  Halima is actually good trans rep and I will die on that hill, regardless of the fact that Robert Jordan didn't know what a trans person was when he wrote her. Yes, she is reincarnated in a woman's body as a 'punishment' for failure, but she ends up liking it quite a bit, is able to explore parts of her sexuality she wasn't able to before, and most importantly, she is an example of a woman channelling saidin. When her cover is blown in the war camp, they don't accuse her of being a man, they just recognize that she is a woman channelling saidin, and respond accordingly, like this is something they have seen before. The rest of the forsaken treat her as if she legit just transitioned and aren't really weird about it at all. It's actually super crazy how well it's handled. I've never heard another trans person complain about how Halima is bad trans rep, only well meaning cis people who don't have the first hand experience to know that she actually kinda rocks. That, or maybe I'm just so starved for good representation that she is good in comparison to everything else. Probably some combination of both.

Also Invincible please 🙏
But yeah, please stop wasting fossil fuels on inventing space tourism for the ultra rich while the world desperately needs to heal.

It fits here and it doesn't deserve it's own post, while Rät - Penelope Scott which was popular around some internet niches for a while a few backs is a bop and has some banger lines I listen to it and I can't stop to think she'd just fall for the next Elon all over again because despite the allusions to colonialism and such the whole thing reads like "We need a good Elon"
- I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
  yewtu.be
  inv.nadeko.net
  yt.artemislena.eu
  piped.video