Worldnews mods remove last article written by assasinated Palestinian journalist Hossam Shabat
Edit: Even MBFC rates dropsitenews as a reliable source https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/drop-site-news-bias-and-credibility/
MBFC Credibility Rating: HIGH CREDIBILITY
There is no rule about 'blog sites' on worldnews. Jordanlund has made this up and proceeds to classify anything he does not like as a 'blog '.
Bruh its Jordan. Worst mod around. Just par for the course.
In India, Lund = Dick.
Username checks out
Oh yeah fuck that guy. What a chode.
Sorry, YDI.
It's a known rule, it's been explained, and there are other places to post if you don't like that rule.
If it was the only C/ for posting things like that, it might not matter much that the rule about substack exists, but there are many places for it.
Edit: also, it's just a removal, that's not even close to power tripping by itself; there would have to be other factors to approach that standard.
It is not a rule. Nowhere in the sidebar of the worldnews subreddit does it say that SubStack is not a valid source. Nor does it say anything about "blogs". It says
Post news articles only
And this is most definitely a news article.
JordanLund is using his moderator powers to selectively decide what is and what is not "news" at his own whims.
You're falling afoul of a common fallacy: that every rule needs to have every possible iteration of its boundaries spelled out. This is not the case.
To the contrary, it's counterproductive. The more subclauses added to a rule, the more there are to remember, and the more people think that because something isn't listed that it's okay.
But, here's the thing.
The only mod action taken was to remove the post and tell you that substack isn't a valid source for that C/.
That's exactly what a mod is supposed to do. You are still free to post on that community, with sources that are allowed. That's the exact opposite of power tripping, it's measured, responsible moderation.
You don't have to agree that substack is a substandard and questionable source for news. You can freely post things from there on any of multiple lemmy communities. That C/ is not a gatekeeper for news on lemmy at all. Things being barred from there do not prevent them from being seen. So you can't claim that it's power tripping my that metric either.
But, I'm going to repeat and rephrase the opening of this comment.
It doesn't matter how well written, how well spelled out the rules are, someone is always going to disagree with them, think they don't apply to them, or just try to play rules lawyer with them to get around them. Trying to continually chase new rules, and rules expansions is a sucker's game, it can never succeed.
That being said, if Jordanlund or any other mod of that Conley community, or any community, wants to try and streamline their rules, I'm always glad to try and help jigger the wording of things. And, that rule probably does need clearer language just to reduce future complaints. It is a bit vague considering that "news articles" is not defined, and the colloquial usage of the term differs from a more formal one.
Nor does it say anything about “blogs”.
It say to only post news articles. Blogs aren't news articles.
Beyond the publicly known political preference of the mod, I think it's strange that a community on a social media site built on activitypub would have a blanked policy against the posting of other self-published news sources, irrespective of the authors and journalists and their proven reputation.
That said, my take on lemmy moderation has always been JDS, or 'just decentralize, stupid'. We're not reddit, and we don't want to be like reddit, so we shouldn't be going out of our way to centralize communities or complain when we don't like the moderation choices or rules of a community we think ought to be managed differently.
YDI
The "you can't post stuff from blogs" rule is common on many communities. It's not because of who he is, it's because you can't post Substack stuff. The rule is fine, I actually don't love it but there's a valid reason for it. Stop pretending it is some kind of pro-Israel bias when that has literally nothing at all to do with this.
Since the people whining extensively about liberal censorship didn't take the much smaller length of time it would have taken to instead just post to !world@lemmy.world the exact same story from Z Network, I've done it for you. You're welcome.
Thanks for that! I would have done it, but I saw too much abuse on reddit where mods would remove something only to add it themselves because... ? They wanted the imaginary internet points? 🤔 I never got that but saw it way, way too often.
Fuckin' mods... Wait, what? 😉
Yeah. The fact that none of them were interested enough to post it, even when you found it for them, sent them the link, and told them that it was a solid source and you wouldn't remove it, kind of tells the whole story IMO: They're all just excited because there is finally a single datum that sort of looks at first glance like the persistent myth that lemmy.world is in any way pro-Israel is finally, for all time, confirmed, and we all need to feel super strongly about it and remember it forever.
Reading the comments here is a treat.
tl;dr Jordan dude may not be a Zionist, but their refusal to acknowledge a legitimate news source, even though it fields an array of veteran investigative journalists, formerly from The Intercept, just because it uses Substack under the hood, which they equate to WordPress (which is another platform used by big publications) makes them a PTB.
It gets even worse down below.
In order to defend MBFC Jordan starts calling MondoWeiss antisemitic. Jordan quotes Zionist lobby sources to back up his claims, without any evidence of the antisemitism accusations except hearsay. Then refuses to engage when pressed on the issue.
What's a good alternative to Worldnews?
Asking the real question.
I've been hearing about groundnews, not sure on worldwide coverage.
Maybe if it was something like superrealnews.substack.com, but using a specific CMS isn't grounds for incredibility.
Another Jordan Lund post, another chance to remind everyone that @jordanlund@lemmy.world is a racist and a zionist and will do whatever he can to delete pro-Palestinian posts, or posts that criticize Israel.
The #2 post on the current "top 6 hours" view is criticizing Israel. He also posted in this article offering some other sources that were more reliable that would be good for this story, and all the people complaining ignored them. Eventually one of them was reposted (somehow), and is still up. Shocker.
Man, this instance is great way to find people who need to be blocked
I think it’s both kind of YDI and clueless mod.
Because they’ve consistently enforced no substack as far as I’m aware.
But also, I think that they should make an exception for this case.
There is no rule against substack nor against 'blogs' and dropsite is even approved by MBFC.
The mod is pulling rules out of thin air.
We've been over this.
Anyone can set up a Substack blog. It's not a valid source. Same with Blogger, same with Medium.
If it gets posted through a legitmate news source, it's 100% welcome.
Blog sites aren't news.
Drop Site is not a simple “substack blog.” It’s a new project created and run by journalists/founders from The Intercept who parted ways because of their mismanagement. Everyone including the journalist who shared this article has extensive experience as a professional journalist and bylines with major publications.
Is Time a blog because it runs on Wordpress?
Oh whoa, this is a really good point.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/drop-site-news-bias-and-credibility/
High credibility, mostly factual.
@jordanlund@lemmy.world ?
Substack is not a blogging platform. You can host a blog using Substack, but not every site built using Substack is a blog.
Dropsitenews is clearly not a blog. That should be immediately evident if you open the website. The about-page also clearly explains how they are an independent news organization with reputable journalists working for it. Even MBFC classifies them as a news organization.
If your argument is "it's a substack website so it's a blog, but a completely identical-looking website that's not built using substack isn't a blog, so it's allowed", then you're not arguing along the lines of rule 1, you're arguing along the lines of an unwritten rule that is supposed to help reinforce rule 1. If so, it should be explained in the sidebar. The post as-is does not violate rule 1 in any reasonable interpretation. If you have a different argumentation as to why Dropsitenews is a blog, you should provide it so that people know what to expect from the mod team.
If it's hosted on a blog hosting site, by definition, it's a blog. It doesn't matter if it's substack, blogger, medium, wordpress, what have you. We don't send traffic to blogs.
And, again, we don't differentiate because we aren't going to be drawn into the argument of "but what about this one, but what about that one..."
NO BLOGS!
This is an absolutely braindead lazy take.
The same professional journalists who've worked at these big media corporations have used the substack platform to open up sites in droves so they can focus on more niche topics, or just escape the censorship of owners and advertisers.
If you think that legitimate news can only come from a company owned by billionaires, then you're wrong.
Once they start writing for a reputable source again, we'll be happy to link to them. We aren't linking to blog sites.
Again, because we aren't going to be drawn into the debate of "Why did you allow THAT Blogger site but not MY bullshit blogspam site?"
We aren't going to manually vet 10,000 blog sites, twitter accounts, facebook pages, reddit posts, Instagrams, etc. etc.
The only FAIR way to do it is what we're doing now: "No, not a valid source. Find a legitimate source."
There are different links that have his last article.
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/hossam-shabat-journalist-killed-gaza-last-article
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hossam-shabat-s-last-article/ar-AA1BDeXT
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/outrage-as-israel-kills-another-truthteller/
Dropsite is another Substack blog and would be removed.
MSN might be tricky because they basically steal content with a link forwarder. Looks like, in this case, they're ripping off ZNetwork:
https://znetwork.org/znetarticle/hossam-shabats-last-article/
Znetwork is solid, MSN? Eh, I'd treat it as a link forwarder and remove it.
Jewish Voice For Labor looks good though!
I’m with you here. News sites will mirror this to confirm its legitimacy, and that should be linked, not the substack.
People don’t like it, but man, I would love it if Lemmy preserves information hygiene as it grows.
Yeah, the mods of both News and Politics went through this with the Luigi manifesto. We just had to remove all of it until an actual news agency vetted it.
Do you mean "aren't news sites?"
Because not being a news site and not being news are two different things.
I mean, if you want to be pedantic, sure. News is the plural of "New". :)
But just because it's new doesn't make it news.
Hey genius blogs are as reliable as the journalist who wrote them... just like a newspaper...
They CAN be, they also might not be. We aren't going to pick winners and losers.
Let's be real here, you would have removed it even if it was in a "actual news agency".
https://lemmy.world/c/world?dataType=Post&sort=New
Tell me, what's the most recent story and how long ago posted?
I'm starting to suspect that now that FlyingSquid is gone, the wildly nonsensical attacks have started against Jordan, trying to drive him out also. I'm interested in knowing why and who it is that is going to be left on the mod team once this process is completed.
Would you block links to 404media.co? Its very reputable, but its hosted using ghost, a blogging software.
First time I saw it, I thought it was super sus just because of the layout and look and feel, but they don't share space with blogs the way Substack sites do.
Then Hosam was not a journalist but a terrorist. Because he writes for a news organisation which publishes their articles using Substack.
Thank you for censoring a journalist who died to get the word out, using made up rules. You must be very proud of yourself.
It's not about censoring anyone, it's removing invalid sources. If they get re-hosted through a legitimate news site like Al Jazeera, fantastic. Go for it.
But we aren't going to allow the community to be filled with bullshit blog sources.
Terminal liberal brain. PTB.
Enforcing the rules of the community.
"Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
Post news articles only"
I mean, it doesn't get any more plain than that. But I guess it requires people to actually read the sidebar...