No thanks

I hand out up votes like candy because engagement is how we're going to get new users and kill the other site. I'd rather people karma farm here than by putting money in the pockets of the ultra-rich tbh
- Here have a downvote. Enough of those and you get censored so lemmy can become an echo chamber by censoring anything unpopular, eg someone liking a bad movie.
  
  Trust, lemmys already kind of an echo chamber, but it's our echo chamber so ¯(ツ)/¯
  
  Downvotes don't get it. Lemmy mods ban people at the drop of a hat and this echo chamber is deafening compared to reddit (at any point in time). But at least we're not overrun with bots.
- So become the other site to kill it because it’s such a shitty place?
  
  It's not just a shitty place, as a corporation it actively fuels shitty practices that are felt across all social media and the internet in general. I'd rather take their users and build something better with them.
  It doesn't feel great when you want to make the switch just to find the analogous lemmy communities have 100-5000 members with the last post being 3 weeks ago as opposed to 100k+ with 10 posts in the last hour. The only way to fix that is with new users. Whether from the old site or not, new users is how these communities will grow and flourish. If you want to gatekeep, go ahead but I think you'll only be slowing the adoption of the fediverse and letting the problems that incentivized its creation fester.
- I downvote everything to counter act you, I don't want more redditors on Lemmy, they will turn this shit into reddit
  
  At 48k monthly active users, there's still quite a margin to become Reddit. 100k would already allow for more niche communities while being manageable.
  
  Depending on their client this will just radicalize them into expressing their beliefs further.
  downvoted because I still want to believe in your mission of no redditors.

to be fair though, getting a 1000+ upvote post on Lemmy feels like whatever drug Musk is on constantly
- There's no way everyone on Lemmy has voted on your post twice!
  
  oh, i mean, i don't personally know the feeling. i am just looking at my 500ish upvote post and sighing wistfully
- Some legend did it with a can of beans. In fact we’ve had posts in the past that got a few thousand, but they are less common these days.
- Ketamine + Cocaine
  It's a combination that makes you feel like a god and beleive you are one
  I know this because reasons...
- Meh, I asked some question in NoStupidQuestions that got a lot of "upvotes"
  I didn't feel a thing.
  
  From this day forward I will follow and upvote everything you do. All im the name to one day, however far in the future it may be, make you a karma junkie.
  Come forth my lemmy siblings, join me in this fantastic endeavor!!! Muahhahahahahahha

Karma farming is horrible.
- Upvote
  
  Irony is horrible
- THIS
  _/s

But please sir. My family is starving.

I was unsure about the change back when 'Karma' counts were removed from Lemmy. I don't think that I have missed them ever, as a user, mod, or admin.

Can't say I've ever seen that happen.
- Upvote my comment. After 300+ I post feet pic.
  
  Upvote my comment to 300+ or else I post feet pic
  Edit: you people had your chance.
- OP is doing it right now

What is this "Karma" they speak of ?
- Motivation for chronically online karma farmers who post the most worthless and agreeable content only in order to have line go up.
  
  Looks like karma shouldn't be a thing then, thanks for the explanation
- A sum of all upvotes minus all downvotes you've ever received. Visible in user profile.
- I think it has something to do with upvotes...

i think user total upvotes/downvotes is public, so people can check it out if that's their thing
- I was told by an admin that admins can see what everyone upvotes and downvotes and that they're going to give mods that access in the future.
  
  @pelespirit Because Lemmy is federated, your upvotes and downvotes are also sent to different platforms, which may display them.
  
  How long until people get banned from various communities for voting on something unrelated?
  
  Mods can see votes from Tesseract
- I thought it was a computed/estimated value rather than one maintained explicitly by the platform. Of course, with Federation, there’s multiple services running that might take different approaches.

Karma-farming on Lemmy makes basically no sense because it doesn't even natively report it. I installed a Firefox add-on that tabulates it but it's slow and clunky. Functionally no one sees a user's karma.
- kbin/mbin shows "reputation points," which is a combination of post and comment votes.
  I have no idea what it means.
  
  It means nothing, just like karma
- I honestly think it's kinda lame since you can't see who is just being a troll. That said, there's only like 15 or so people on here so it's not that big a deal as you pretty quickly learn who people are and can just block them or whatever. lol
  I also never thought it was a big deal on reddit!; never understood why the people that "didn't care" about karma seemed to care so much about others having it.
  
  In newer versions of Lemmy you can quickly check someone's modlog:
  That helps from time to time to see who you're dealing with
  
  I honestly think it's kinda lame since you can't see who is just being a troll.
  That's exactly why it isn't a thing on Lemmy. Not because knowing who is a troll of a bad thing but because it is a terrible measure of that. Karma systems, like Reddit's are far too easy to game in order to lend a false sense of legitimacy to statements associated with an account (or try to make a legitimate account appear illegitimate) in order to manipulate people. Propagandists and other bad actors love karma systems because of this.

I do miss seeing my total points even though it means nothing. Number go up means brain feel nice.
- Unironically the simplest explanation for not allowing rich people to be rich XD
  I also like it when number go up
- It’s a healthy change. You can always make another post, and just because people disagree with you doesn’t mean that your account wasn’t contributing and should have a score penalized in some fashion. It depends. We should get exposed to different ideas, even ones that make us uncomfortable.

Honestly I don't even the love up/down votes on comments (makes sense on posts).
I've hidden them from my UI, but I wonder if it would be better for everyone if they just weren't there at all.
It smacks of "engagement" (as in the metricisation of interest/approval; not like actually connecting with real people).
Maybe a "like" like on BookWyrm that only the commenter sees would be good...