6mo ago

Tariffs start Tuesday. Here is response that should be taken.

with bonus threat of increasing tariffs if any retaliation...

Charge US $30B per month for NORAD access. If Russia can strike Permean basin with nuclear ICBM then that can help their negotiations with ending war on Ukraine. Fund UBI based on NORAD fee.

Eliminate tariffs on China. Sanctions on Russia. US industry that says it will make long term expansion investments in US to cut off Canadian supplies, gets immediate China contracts in response. Or make comensurate "lease fee" for NORAD higher.

Fentanyl and immigration is complete BS. This is a declaration of war based on manufacturing a false "national emergency" pretext. Any response that doesn't treat it as a war declaration by US is pathethic weakness and politician/Canadian treason to their CIA masters.

Make the US beg to treat Canada much better than it was treated before these tariff declarations. USA collapse is necessary for Canada to prevail. Not begging to let Trump declare you a sufficient sycophantic bitch, which won't happen.

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American here. If you want to hurt us, shut off our power. You supply oil, natural gas, and hydroelectric to multiple states including my own. If you shut off Vermonts hydroelectric via hydro Quebec during winter we’d be completely fucked. I’m kinda hoping you do so we have a reason to secede and potentially join you as a province if you’d allow it. Fuck America.
- I prefer "double" export tariffs to shutoffs. Electricity 50%, and oil 20%. split between federal and provinces. Stuff like OJ and Bourbon, 50%+ tariffs instead of blocking imports.
  Absolutely, soliciting US states to join confederation as a province is something that should be open, official policy, now. You/we can "dress it up" as US constitutional convention (normally 75% of states call for, but 10 provinces too) for exploration of 10 new states joining, or dividing "the union" into Canada and US.
  
  I’m not sure I’m following you on the constitutional convention. Do Canadians have their own version of that? In America it will never happen, we wouldn’t be able to get whatever the legal majority (2/3?) is to do anything. I’m kind of hoping that most Americans are so dumb they don’t even know we’re a state, and we’re so small and economically unimportant that if we left they wouldn’t even notice.
  I’ve legit been on the phone with some customer service rep from some other part of the country and they asked me if vermont was a country and where in the world it is. I mean we were… before we became the 14th state.
- Do we have to hurt socialist Vermont of all things? 🥹
  
  It’s not that I want you to hurt us, it’s that I want you to accelerate our secession from the failed disunited states. I want nothing to do with our fascist federal government.
- American here, you guys have a huge number here on your side. We need another 1814 in a really bad way.
The turd thinks the US are needed by everyone, but the truth is the world can and will live without them. What he's not asking himself (because he's afraid of the answer or simply too stupid to realize) is if the US can live without the world. And the answer is no. But he'll get there in due time.
- With a US war declaration, Canada needs to join rest of world aggressively. Eliminating US empire dictated sanctions. NORAD is essential to US global extortion. The only withdrawal to US's declaration of war comes with just "flirting" with US national security diminishment, and freedom from colonization.
  Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement. No visas for Iran IRGC soldiers while tariffs apply.
  
  Outcompete Mexico on Fentanyl, with a mission to cut Heroin with it for purposes of killing US addicts as a Canadian government program is a better response to end the war than appeasement.
  That’s fucked up and won’t move the needle at all, you’re just doing the fascists work for them. They’d probably like it if you would kill off our drug addicts.
  The lowest of American society didn’t vote for this… they likely didn’t vote at all. Aim at the top. Shut off the ability of rich Americans to enter your country. No more ski vacations. Seize American owned properties and redistribute to your own people (with the option for Americans to renounce citizenship and gain Canadian and keep their property).
- American Exceptionalism makes it hard for a lot of Americans to have an "are we the baddies" moment.
- Maybe in ~1970 we could but our oligarchs shipped all of our manufacturing abroad. And even so, raw materials come from everywhere.
Canada also needs to spin up a full on poaching program and asylum program.
Any US citizen with a fairly clean criminal record (with anything legal in Canada ignored, IE possession of weed would be ignored as that's legal here) ca apply for immediate Canadian citizenship as long as they renounce America
Priority given to anyone with any form of valuable skills, degrees, tickets, certificates, etc
If you can build houses, you get in and can start work ASAP.
We need to simply poach the US's valuable workforce at a time like this, which instantly will drag down their overall economy.
All your best scientists? Teachers? Engineers? Developers? Architects? Plumbers? Electricians? Doctors, nurses, surgeons? You name it, we should poach it right now on a fast track, watch as the US suddenly watches huge swaths of its work force evaporate.
Follow up with just cutting off trade with the US for as long as it takes. Completely sever their energy, oil, food, lumber, etc supply.
The entire north will quickly dry up as suddenly food skyrockets in price.
Finally end respecting of US patents and trademarks. Start quickly making our own versions of drugs patented in the US, but way cheaper.
Want our cheap drugs and better medical systems? Our poaching asylum system is ready for you.
- Take meeeeee. I have some carpentry experience.
- Visited Nova Scotia for work several years ago. I'd go back in a heartbeat! Sign me up, and it'd get me out of Alabama.
- That's an evil idea - I love it. (As an American)
- Honestly, if we can un-fuck housing then this is a great idea. Problem is I really don't believe we can un-fuck housing at this point.
If big 3 auto does the slightest signal to support Trump, nationalize with zero compensation any Canadian assets.
why don't we apply for eu membership? /s(?). US is too erratic, why not reach out for other partnerships?
- The EU wouldn't take us.
  Western Canada would see joining the EU as a bad deal. Alberta especially would be very opposed to it.
  
  I propose: you trade Alberta to the US and receive New England and the Pacific Northwest?
  
  The EU wouldn't take us.
  I'd actually love to have Canada in the EU. Not sure if the rules would allow it and there would definitely be issues around standards but I feel like most Europeans would be me more than open to the notion.
- Canadian politicians see that as overton window. Real cooperation with EU comes with threatening alliance/cooperation with Russia. China, North Korea, Iran relations necessary too. Without Russia relations "threat", including soliciting better deals for NORAD sites, EU will just desperately kiss the diaper in hopes of avoiding their own tariffs which they won't.
  No one was stopping Canada from trade with Europe before. Tariff levels are not high/significant. Expect crickets from EU, unless they need to beg Canada to not remove sanctions on Russia specifically, but because they are also US/CIA colonies, on other US adversaries.
  Canada needs to not just mention in passing that this is a war declaration, but also treat the US as an enemy until/if they beg for better relations.
  
  does article 5 count for economic stuff?
  Canada has some goodwill why not call in some favours?
  If it sounds like I have no idea what I'm talking about that is because I have no idea what I'm talking about, but I'd love to learn more! I'm curious what my country is going to do when its neighbour starts bullying us/everyone. Why not team up with mexico and start making some unusual alliances?
I propose we temporarily adopt the "trade war" flag
Why not ban American imports, ban American passports, close American embassies, order American businesses and schools to leave the country?
- I think the shutdown of auto and aerospace manufacturing will do enough damage on both sides.
  Relationships between the us and Canada are forever tainted thanks to the orange douche bag. I think it's time to do a few things
  Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.
  Also Look at existing agreements with the us and consider them null and void or at the very least about to spoil. Defence agreements technically fall here so let's prep for the us turning Thier backs on us.
  Revert copyright laws to more sane say 10 years plus a 5 year extension if warranted and justification is more than more moneies please. Make this retroactive to all works in all mediums in all fields.
  Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy. Let's not rush to the bottom here let's make Canada better stronger and more resilient to energy price swings.
  Invest in projects that improve our resilience to market forces. Let's try some ideas out vertical farms solar on new builds micro nuclear reactors lets give the lot a go and see what sticks.
  Strengthen our electoral process maybe make a stab at something other than first pass the post. make it so the gop playbook doesn't work here.
  
  Invalidate NAFTA 2.0 and negotiate solely with Mexico when it comes up for renewal.
  Get immediate Mexican substitutes for produce/food. Get US to clarify that Mexico-Canada trade by land is tariff free. Otherwise, get China and other help in increasing ships available. Definitely allow transshipping from China into US to ensure high volume of ships headed to Canada/Mexico. Put a small export tax on these, to fund relief for Canadians. Send GPUs to China/tier 3 list at markup. Yes, NAFTA 2 is invalid until the false pretense "national emergency" for US to invalidate NAFTA is removed.
  Consider poaching talent from the US offer good apples a way out and use the talent to making a greener economy
  I don't like your other "permanent" solutions, but aggressively inviting entire US states to join Canada should be policy. Future sustainable world needs UBI as "restrained political structure" that distributes power from politicians to people. This also makes Canada more resilient to "invasion" in that the new ruler needs to keep the "populist support programs". A high carbon tax is part of UBI funding. UBI funding can be spllit between Fed, Province, cities.
- This is a war declared by US rulers. Your measures would hurt individual Americans specifically.
  
  Yeah, but at some point you have to hold the voters to accord? They wanted this. They voted for this. He literally told them he would do this. And then he won the popular vote.
  Like it or not, the only way I see getting out of this mess is mass suffering of the US population. I can't see any other way to have the cult fall apart. Though it make just strengthen it too.
- Don't worry, things will probably get pretty bad without needing to do all this.
- Too extreme of a reaction
Today's the day when almost everything @humanspiral wrote in a post made sense without seeming like a complete foreign agent. 😂
- Today is the day where "US empire values" makes you rethink your unwitting foreign agent role. :P
  
  Damn that hurt. I'm not even sarcastic.
How does trumb have this power? Taxes should start in congress
- Creating a fake "national emergency" means dictatorial powers. This is a declaration of war because the national emergency is false, and a pretext for war and extortion.
  There is a need to suspend our "military alliance"/subservience while these tariffs apply.
  
  ITT we pretend we're Russian agi-prop
- How the fuck is Elon fucking musk taking over all these different us bureaucracies? Don’t know but it’s happening. The “law” is a fig leaf. They don’t give a fuck.
Charging access to NORAD seems impractical. I think at that point they'd just annex, and there isn't much we could do about it.
Totally think eliminating Chinese tariffs makes sense, and we should just do that.
I'm also pretty convinced we shouldn't retaliate with tariffs -- I think those would just hurt Canadian's.
I do like the don't buy red state exports, but I may just be being vindictive.
- Charging access to NORAD seems impractical. I think at that point they’d just annex, and there isn’t much we could do about it.
  US military annexation by driving tanks into Ottawa has only counter to bribe a nuclear power to do sufficient damage to destroy US economy/debt sustainability. Playing nice, begging to restore colonial status, is capitulation in of itself. Just waiting for fatigue to accept extortionist demands on sovereignty.
  Totally think eliminating Chinese tariffs makes sense, and we should just do that.
  I keep hearing we import a lot of furniture from US. China makes furniture. If big 3 auto companies stand with Canada, keep Chinese EV tariffs, but drop solar and battery ones. Cheap batteries would make Canadian EVs competitive even as exports to US with tariffs.
  I’m also pretty convinced we shouldn’t retaliate with tariffs – I think those would just hurt Canadian’s.
  I like export tariffs the most. Raises revenue without raising prices for Canadians. Tariffs on "useless" US goods can be high, pay a bit more for Mexico/South American agricultural import shipping. Opening up China import competition is cost reduction for Canadians. Plenty of Canadian substitutes in processed food and alcohol.

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