A lot of libs in those comments are proving this post is 100% true. "It's okay because they're on our side". And, how it's important to "uphold US unipolar hegemony" 💀

Yeah I have a bookmarked search setting for pre-February 2022 searches because of how rapidly the entire media landscape changed overnight. Have to use a lot of archives and waybackmachines as well, since a lot of it was deleted or edited later. All the "pro-Russian" media also got censored and banned and is just gone now, which includes a lot of leftist smaller independent media. FAIR and Grayzone and Mint Press are all suppressed in google search algos compared to pre-Russiagate hysteria

hope Ukraine finds a way to stop this

Ukraine never even tried, they like "this"

I never get tired of seeing the receipts

This is the flowering of years of reactionary seed-sowing. The population has been primed for decades on Holodomor soft-holocaust denial, anti-soviet cold war propaganda and more recently: Ukraine Nazis being the Good Nazis TM.

What else would we expect? Of course this is the natural result of a bunch of people believing these things. It's the active re-writing of history and the slow boiling nazifaction of hundreds of millions of people

that's ideologically-committed liberals, mind you. plenty of people are just ambiently "liberals" because conservatives are so blatantly odious, so this isn't like a curse or something and normal people can snap out of it before reaching the "defending literal nazis" stage

we don't support russia

Speak for yourself, I do and I hope they have complete and total victory over NATO proxies. You have a revolutionary defeatist duty to critically support Russia in this fight against your empire. Fence-sitting is not revolutionary defeatism, revolutionary defeatism means critically supporting the opponents of your own side.

I just kinda don’t want to go posting really hard about it. (This is all I could realistically do and I do not like posting really hard about things)

It’s becoming abundantly clear that you guys heard the buzzword “whataboutism” and are desperate to use it. But please point to what you think is whataboutism here. I was asking if people here are pro-Russia. And I very much got my answer

A big part of why I ended up hear in hexbear is because it's one of the only places where everybody doesn't lie about your beliefs to just off handedly dismiss your concerns.

Ok, then I won't lie and will state the truth as bluntly as possible. I personally think the anti-Russia stance of western socialists is chauvinist and incoherent and have argued as much constantly here, with mixed support. As I have explained down below, it's a western socialist's revolutionary defeatist duty to oppose their own empire by being a fifth column and critically supporting its enemies. Lenin was quite clear on this, it does not mean passive fence sitting and both-sidesism. It in fact, is much the opposite. It's active attacks on one's own imperialist government through organized activity to interfere with NATO war funds, NATO war supplies, NATO war support, etc.

It's an incoherent position to say "I oppose my nation's imperialism but I also oppose the enemies of my nation". You don't get to say both. We can argue if the invasion in February 2022 was a strategic error or not, but that doesn't really matter because we are not Russian war strategizers. We are western socialists. Do you understand your place and role? It's to weaken your empire, and if you can work with its enemies to do so you should.

It's really interesting how everybody actually in this sub talks about how it's bad Russia invaded and they're deffinitly aggressors and denounce them, we just think nazis are bad.

Z. Russia is defending itself and I support their invasion. I think Nazis are bad and need violent action taken against them when they build up concentrated military power. I'm glad someone is finally doing it, despite Putin being a liberal cuck who waited 8 years too long to do it - strung along by EU perfidy.

I do think it's bad Russia invaded but also both parties are the aggressor here. NATO has been gearing up for this kind of conflict since at least the early 90s. The coup in 2014 was like the dress rehearsal for right now.

Russia invading was honestly a strategic mistake and it's a tragedy this came to open warfare, but it's not like Russia invaded for no reason, or only to secure power for its own sake. The separatists have been fighting in the region for a while.

While the start of the war might have been different, at this point though NATO is the primary aggressor. They refuse any calls for ceasefire from the Russian side, they continue flooding Ukraine with guns, they keep up the message they'll keep fighting until even Crimea is Ukraine again. Just these impossible lofty goals designed to keep the war churning. NATO loves this war. They've cemented Ukraine as a permanent ally against Russia and they have cause to stir up another permanent war. More quagmires.

But this is kind of my point. The viewpoint depicted in this meme and the bunches of others like it I’ve seen lately is just propaganda going the other way.

It’s a complete oversimplification—and this is EXACTLY what everyone is saying liberals are guilty of. And while it’s true of liberals because it’s a simple narrative that is easy to paint sides into (and American politics is nothing if not ideas painted two colors for ease of identity), it’s also very true of what’s happening here.

People who paint themselves as communist are saying “Ukraine = Nazis,” and just because Russia has a communist history, see “Russia=communist.”

It’s the same sickness that’s completely rotten in the US: a massive oversimplification for ease of allegiance to your stated party/ideals. This one is just painted communist and therefore is getting praised around here.

I am torn, I go back and forth. The main polity I blame is the US for just endless reasons, but mainly the maidan coup. That I'm consistent on. I go back and forth on if Russia's invasion is justified. My gut instinct, like you, is to say that war is bad so Russia, while reacting to real hostilities from the greater west, should not have resorted to invasion.

The powerful posters at Hexbear keep reminding me that Russia did hold off for 8 years. Ukraine and NATO lied about Minsk. And when you think about the people of Donbas, it makes Russia feel more justified. Ukraine has been bombing it's own cities for nearly a decade. Do those people deserve to suffer? Obviously this war is terrible for the average Ukrainian, but so it is for the Russian speaking Ukrainians.

whataboutism

Supporting Russia is morally superior to supporting the United States.

Thank you, I’m a fellow hexbear who supports Russia for all its imperfections. I’m also Jewish so I’m happy with almost anyone mercing Nazis. Americans likewise have no right to criticize any other country, and saying that both sides are equally bad merely helps the aggressor, which anyone with an awareness of history prior to 2022 knows is amerikkka.

Western communists should also realize that a clear NATO defeat in Ukraine could create new opportunities for us in our own countries, while I think we all know that a NATO victory will lead to more of the same fucking bullshit.

Lol please point to what you understand as “whataboutism” in what I said

And NATO flooded the region with enough weapons to make the middle east jealous

For all intents and purposes, this isn’t an outwardly pro-Russia post. It’s a “Ukraine is full of Nazis!” post. It’s just jarring for me, who doesn’t follow whatever pro-Russia circles you all run in, to come across what is ultimately a pro-superpower post. I mean…as (ostensibly) working class leftists, I didn’t think anyone would be outwardly PRO murderous world superpower. But…it seems obvious to you. So, there’s that.