How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war
How tankies and MAGAts view the Ukraine war
I hate how “anti-war” has been hijacked by these people to mean, let imperialist countries invade whoever they want with no consequences. (in the case of tankies, any imperialist country that isn’t in NATO).
I don’t understand how other communists can defend Russia at this point. It feels to me like most of them forget that Russia is no longer a communist country.
They’re capitalists. Putin is often using christo-fascist tactics. He’s also pushing for Russian imperialism in very capitalistic ways. Also, Russia was 100 percent the agitators here.
Just because it challenges US worldwide hegemony doesn’t automatically make it good, boys.
I don't even know what they (western tankies) get from this. Average dumbass Russian only cares about his ass, and the pretended "glory". There is no "Conservative brotherhood which spans across the ocean". They don't speak your language, they don't have the same problem, and they hate YOU with passion, because on average, they are racist and dumb.
So my only hypothesis is that tankies think (??) that by going "contrarian" they show how smart they are, and that "did the research" lol.
You forgot the person standing to the other side saying, "But what about that time when America...!?"
perfectly agree with the meme, that said I've tried to make the same argument to people IRL and their response usually is "well Ukraine provoked them by trying to join NATO" and being the absolute dumbass that I am, I can never come up with a decent answer on the spot.
does anyone have a cool one liner to use or am I stuck with having to explain the various geopolitical issues/me sees title. “Oh, these comments are gonna be fun…”
Red-painted fascists just can't help themselves. War is Completely Justified Resistance And Blowback until someone actually fights back, at which point it's Pointlessly Extending The Conflict
multi-polar imperialism
It was never about land, it's about not letting Ukraine become more westernly oriented. https://youtube.com/watch?v=MhpoNL1gZbw
When we keep talking about it just being about land we let Russia get closer to their actual goals.
Its not about right or wrong its about resources, the world cannot put more resources in a never ending war. Europe and USA have done what is possible and lets not forget that this war start with the wish of Ukraine to join NATO because it is a threat to Russian borders, from that moment it was a shit show as we know it. Right now you have two options, keep funding ukraine and put you country at risk in other areas because you have no money or ukraine must give some land in order to end this war that they start, with Europe, by the wish to join NATO. I know this is not what you want to ear, i dont want it either, but it is what it is. End it now
It's the American way.
Similar to how libs view the genocide in palestine.
As a Mexican, it's always "fun" to read this American comic strips.
Don't be fooled. The americans dont care about russia or ukraine. They don't care how many people die there. They care about the drawing of maps and high level realpolitik like if the world was a game of civilization.
But mostly they care about one thing, and one thing only:
The rise in the share price of European companies in the sector was stronger than that of their North American counterparts (129% versus 31%), which Lliso attributes to the fact that in the United States the rise “started earlier and the European stock markets joined in later.” Despite this, the difference between the two groups remains vast: the market value of the seven American giants has reached €532 billion, while that of their European counterparts remains at €230.65 billion.
The profitability of the arms industry has not grown in step with its stock market value, since the latter is derived from the expectation of future profits and the materialization of contracts can be prolonged over a long period of time. “When the war in Ukraine began, we saw that the gap between the relative valuation of companies and their results widened: shares rose while turnover remained the same. Investors are not only looking for immediate profits, but also for medium-term profits,” explains the Accuracy partner.
The average EBITDA margin of the two groups (U.S. and European arms manufacturers) remained stable over this period, ranging from 14.3% at the end of 2021 to 12.7% at the beginning of 2024, although in Europe it increased by 2.1 points (from 11.7 to 13.8%), while in America it fell by 4.3 (from 16.5 to 12.2%), narrowing the gap between the two.
For those of us who are more interested by what's really happening than western war propaganda:
Follow the money.
Im not sure about other anti-war people but I can speak for myself. Like how Assad was clearly evil so is Russia, their actions are absolutely inexcusable. However, I think it is a valid question to ask how much good does foreign intervention do? It didnt do much good in Syria or Iraq and I dont think its doing much good in Ukraine. At this point Ukraine is another US proxy, who exactly does that help?
EDIT: lot of downvotes, no replies. I know I talk a lot about gaza in this comment, but that's just because that's something I know about. I'm way less informed about the Ukraine conflict. Ultimately this comment is just asking for what you believe and why you believe it, read the final sentence first.
I kind of tapped out on paying attention to this conflict, I'm already losing enough sleep over the genocide in Gaza.
With the conflict in Gaza, my opinion is that a ceasefire would be best, followed by an abolition of the apartheid state by means similar to how the one in SA was abolished (forced by global divestment like that enforced by 1986 US anti-apartheid act, etc). On a moral level, this solution feels unsatisfying. So much land has been stolen from the Palestinians, and part of me wants them to fight and win it all back, so advocating for a peaceful resolution hurts. But I also know that realistically, continuing to pursue armed conflict will only result in more Palestinian deaths, and more loss of territory, so I reluctantly join protests in favor of a ceasefire.
I realize that the conflicts are different. Russia is much more powerful than Israel, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing has been going on for decades, etc. So I don't know what to feel about the Ukraine conflict. The pro-peace POV I've already heard. Ceasefire, concede Crimea to Russia, Ukraine becomes non-NATO zone, and the killing stops. For the pro-war people in the Ukraine conflict, what are you hoping for, and what facts make you feel this hope is realistic?
If you wonder why the americans are deadset on "supporting" ukraine:
https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2023/08/07/defense-stocks-flourish-after-russian-invasion-of-ukraine/ https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/2024/08/08/with-the-world-on-edge-defense-stocks-soar/
Remember the average american have his pension tied to the nasdaq, institutional funds have shares in the defense industry, and so on. They don't give a shit about ukraine or russia.
You are not immune to propaganda.
Just note how this message will get deleted in no time. Can't let the truth out, huh?
Reddit's finally fucking breathable after we yeeted out all the autistic, incestuous morons. The place is free from the stench of virgin losers who can't even get a bot to fuck them, and the endless, retarded arguments that made you want to lobotomize yourself.
Enjoy your echo chamber, you pathetic, basement-dwelling virgins. You're the ones who waste good money to lick the diseased, saggy asses of Biden and other brain-dead politicians, all while patting yourselves on the back for your so-called 'enlightenment'.
Meanwhile, the rest of us adults can have a real conversation. We're not suffocated by the reek of your collective mental retardation and chronic virginity. We can finally talk without the constant reminder of how fucking low the human race can sink. And we certainly don't have to put up with the fuck niggers and jews who seem to infest every goddamn corner of this shithole
Russia invading Ukraine is wrong. But the world is full of wrong things. And until America fixes its problems at home, it is deeply immoral to drain the economy and weapon reserves and put our citizenry at risk. Anyone who believes the politicians usual garbage about "protecting democracy" and "standing up to imperialism" is a moron.
US and Ukraine puppet rulers 100% instigated the war, and are the one who want it to continue. It is categorically false that Russia is interested in ruling all of Ukraine. Tolerating or believing such BS ensures your own oppression. Every US war is tolerated because you are brainwashed into stories of their leader deserving US aggression. War/sanctions is not for your benefit. Pressing for nuclear war with your absurd lies and tolerance for demonic diminishment of world is bad for you too.
There seems to be a "wokeness" over propaganda for Israel genocide, Syria insurection, and every single other war and coup the US is involved in, and the corporatist oligarchist propaganda subjugating you, and meant to subjugate you. When you humanize such disgusting lying propaganda as Russia is the one who is the aggressor in Ukraine, your idiocy fully guarantees your oppression, and you get these disappointing expectations that NYT can be "left wing" while neocon/Israel first oligarchist liars instead.
