Democrats are trying to work out what went wrong. On the left a consensus is forming

The question is: how are they gonna get back on track?

One thing to remember is that Democrats, just like Republicans, are sponsored by the rich, and have their hands tied against taking drastic measures that would actually improve lives of common people against the interest of businesses. This is primarily why key economic points they rallied with never came to fruition.

Liz

Cheney

At what point do we learn that voting for progress is an illusion, a fable, taught and told to us to prevent us from organizing socially to effect real change?

Yep.

You still haven't figured it out yet? The middle hates echo chambers. The right and left both have echo chambers but they vote against the one that seems more disconnected from reality. By controlling speech and removing content as a knee-jerk reaction to any inconvenient information or opinion as a habit, the left have separated themselves from reality more than the right, by at least a little.

This comes off as threatening to people. Because a mob of people disconnected from reality that will simply silence anyone's defense of themselves feels like a situation that could get out of hand. And everyone has experienced having their speech controlled. They don't like it.

All politics is a proxy for culture war. And you lost a culture war by being controlling assholes. Watch you try to silence me right now. Just know that that habit going forward will make you lose more.

Kamala is part of the Biden administration, which most people, in my opinion, found to be awful. We couldn't grasp who she was and what policies she wanted. She didn't do enough interviews. Trump went on Joe Rogan's podcast, while she was reluctant to participate in an interview for more than 45 minutes, compared to Trump's three hours. I'm not saying that the interview was the nail in the coffin for her, but it was definitely a contributing factor. Essentially, the average person wouldn't know what she wanted or who she is unless she actually did an interview on a podcast that they could watch on YouTube. Additionally, Trump was already president, so people at least had a general idea of what it was like when he was in office. I have no hate for Kamala here; I'm just sharing my thoughts on what I think went wrong.

We need an actual left party.

Tired of this fascism vs conservatives masquerading as "left vs right" bullshit.

Pelosi sucks, Bernie should be in charge of the party with AOC under his wing until he dies, it's their only chance.

Democrats are basically a conservative party, a depressing wet blanket to the people's spirits, and Republicans are illegitimate, unhinged extremists.

Democrats are objectively superior in every way and they still suck ass.

Sure would be nice if there was a party that actually represented Americans instead of company profits.

The Dems kept making big proclamations about how the economy has rebounded under the Biden administration. But no one except the wealthy has benefited from that. It felt genuinely insulting every single time. Average folks in the US keep seeing bills, grocery prices, subscription services, and especially housing costs rise steadily. People are so worried about paying for these core things.

But the party never listened to Bernie and just kept saying "look, we fixed it" when they clearly didn't, and I believe that drove away voters.

If we get a consensus on the Left it will be the first time ever.

"I can't support Bernie! He's not a real Socialist, he's a Social Democrat!!"

They didn't show the entire tweet chain. Murphy starts off saying we should abandon neoliberalism which is good. But then finished by uncritically supporting men's rights, abandoning social issues, and abandoning action on climate change.

He's calling for Democrats to move to the right. The big tent he's pitching is fascism. A true populist movement that champions socialism and progressive causes can bring people together while also championing these issues.

“The left has never fully grappled with the wreckage of fifty years of neoliberalism, which has left legions of Americans adrift as local places are hollowed out, rapacious profit seeking cannibalizes the common good, and unchecked new technology separates and isolates us,” wrote Murphy, who represents the northeastern blue bastion of Connecticut.

The problems, he continued, were obvious: stagnant economic mobility for many Americans and an erosion of social life.

But he went on to argue that the only way to shake up that dynamic was with real solutions that challenged the rich donors who support Democrats — wealthy interests who he said Democrats lacked the stomach to really challenge.

“[W]hen progressives like Bernie aggressively go after the elites that hold people down, they are shunned as dangerous populists,” wrote Murphy. “We cannot be afraid of fights - especially with the economic elites who have profited off neoliberalism...Those are hard things for the left. A firm break with neoliberalism. Listen to poor and rural people, men in crisis. Don't decide for them. Pick fights. Embrace populism. Build a big tent. Be less judgmental. But we are beyond small fixes.”

I hope Schumer steps back. He’s part of the old guard that got us here, and I don’t think he should be involved in party leadership anymore. Less sure about Jeffries - but frankly, despite his obvious skills, I’m deeply sketched by his refusal to play hardball with Johnson specifically, when he threw him a lifeline to get some stuff done instead of stepping back and letting his party and the situation they and Johnson created eat themselves alive. I think that alone indicates an excellent argument for Jeffries NOT being in leadership. This is not an era for compromise and half measures that perpetuate the status quo, which he inarguably has done.

"Figures like Bernie Sanders, Chris Murphy, and Ro Khanna argue the party lacks a strong economic message, especially for those frustrated with stagnant mobility and neoliberal policies."

"Meanwhile the Corpo shills remainder of the Democratic party insist they didn't go conservative enough. "We had Dick Cheney on our side! We shouted at them that their lives are better now! They no longer can afford homes and found everything to be more expensive, but the stock market! The people just don't understand how when my investments go up that means everything is working as intended." Audible groans were heard from within the room and within seconds security was escorting people away from reporters. "We will definitely win next time, we just need to lie harder about their lives being better. I hear workers hate unions so we'll work on killing those too."

There's a cognitive dissonance on Lemmy. I keep seeing people post the electorate is stupid for electing trump or staying home while also seeing posts like this acknowledging that the democratic party isn't listening to the constituency. I realize it's likely very different audiences but this is very much a bubble among liberals which unfortunately make up a large part of the party voting base. They were fine with everything continuing to suck a tiny bit more because the alternative was Trump. I think people are just squeezed and exhausted. They're tired of being given the narrative that this is the election that will end all elections while things continue to get worse around the margins. And I think the people that would vote for systemic change don't see Democrats capable of delivering on anything substantive.

Note: This is not an endorsement of Trump or not voting at all as a result. But people really need to reckon with how broken shit is before blaming voters. Democrats have no incentives to fix anything.

The Dems need to implement the Nordic Model of economic and social policies in the U.S., it’s not that hard outside of removing oversized lobbying influence on U.S. politics

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

Maybe they shouldnt have couped bernie then run a candidate that has never won a primary. Maybe they should try running on policy for the working class people instead of identity politics. But what do i know im just some aussie cunt on lemmy.

They weren't funny, or socialist enough.

Resulting in them coming off as:

Serious, and Corporatist...

...which is what they are (although the Trumps are obviously way more Corporatist).

It's the working class economy, stupid

I'm still trying to understand why you only get to choose between two candidates. I get how it works. But so many countries elect their president in 1-2 turns.

Also also, Switzerland's way of electing it's executive power is much better.

Maybe some of those politicians should just start their own party? That’s what would happen in a healthier democracy

Losing didn’t reveal anything wrong with the DNC. The problem is with Americans. It’s going to be up to everyday people to reprogram those in the cult. You can’t do that systemically. You have to do it on a personal level. And it takes a lot of time, energy, and compassion. Only then can the underclass have the unity needed to for positive change.