South Korea could follow North into Russia-Ukraine war
South Korea could follow North into Russia-Ukraine war
South Korea's Defense Ministry also said it will review measures regarding possible supply of lethal weapons to Ukraine.
South Korean media claimed on Monday that Seoul could send military and intelligence personnel to Ukraine after the North dispatched troops to support Russia in the war.
A report said the government and military of South Korea "are reviewing a plan to send an appropriate number of personnel, including intelligence officers [specialized in North Korea] and experts in enemy tactics," to Ukraine, citing a South Korean intelligence official.
South Korean personnel in Ukraine would interrogate or provide interpretation services if North Korean soldiers were captured by Ukrainian forces, the report said. They would also provide Kyiv with information about the North's military tactics, doctrine, and operations.
This has to be the most bizzare proxy war, i have ever heard about.
Two countries with a shared culltural history to go to join a war on the other side of the world, as not to fight in their demilitarized border zone. But unlike in "normal" proxy wars, they both send soldiers.
Unfortunately, all it will take is one of the Korean groups to be responsible for destroying another Korean group in Ukraine for any retaliation to make it's way back to the homeland.
Hell, the story doesn't even need to be real for one of the Korean governments to start lobbing shells over their border.
Honestly, I think this is the plan. It was super weird for NK to actually blow up roads on the border. With that, combined with the timing of them sending troops to Ukraine is even more sus. This probably has more to do with US elections, than anything else.
I wanted to nitpick on the "other side of the world" part and tell you that NK actually shares a border with Russia. But you're actually right, Russia is just that massive that its border with Ukraine might as well be on the other side of the earth.
Pyongyang - Kyiv is 7.700 km. So technically it is only about 1/6 around the earth. From a western European perspective the distances to the west are distorted to be shorter and to the east to be longer. In the perception in my country (Germany) Kyiv moved a lot closer in the past 10 years or so.
I was surprised the other day when i looked it up. Berlin Moscow is about 1.600 km. Berlin Madrid is about 1.800 km.
I've previously said that the conflict is a proxy war between NK and SK, with Russia being NK's proxy, just to trigger vatniks. I feel vindicated.
When NCD memes turn credible again.
Proxies joining a proxies proxy war lol
US: "Good luck, I'm behind seven proxies!"
After WW2, the US were Japan's proxies in the "temporary" division of South Korea, and then against the Democratic result that elected a North Korean as leader of all Korea. Colonized ever since.
Please South Korea send Ukraine more military support.
WWI-style cascade of breakdown of international relations?
Nah. We actually have camps now, not bilateral agreements which form a chain that can actually cascade.
Here's hoping.
Meanwhile North Koreans are fleeing the front lines.
None of these guys have ever seen live combat and they all have 2 Kgs of medals.
There's always joking around when it comes to North Korea. Because of pictures of their parade and officers covered in medals.
But reading about North Korean society is always really fascinating.
For example I remember reading that the military service is about 10 years. Of course children of the Elite are exempt.
Military base are also very autonomous. Meaning that they are farming and fishing.
It's also very interesting that south Korean is sending troops. Probably to gather intelligence and help with translation or with captured North Korean soldiers.
2kg of medals is not that very many, depending on the thickness and material.
North Korean soldiers are so strong they always carry about 50kg of medals on their chest in order to give enemies a fair chance in hand to hand combat, not to mention being a much manlier bullet deflector than kevlar.
Then there is the layers.. you get shot but the medal deflects it, so the medal gets a medal and the cycle continues.
https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-21-2024
Russia appears to be scrambling to reduce tensions with South Korea following credible reports of intensified North Korean cooperation with Russia, including South Korean and Ukrainian intelligence warnings that a contingent of North Korean troops has deployed for training to Russia. South Korea's Foreign Ministry summoned Russia's Ambassador to South Korea, Georgy Zinoviev, over reports of the deployment of North Korean military personnel to Russia.[12] The Russian Embassy in South Korea falsely framed the event as a voluntary meeting, as opposed to a diplomatic summons, and notably claimed that any cooperation between Russia and North Korea "is not directed against the security interests" of Seoul.[13] Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed that Russia-North Korea cooperation "should not cause concern" to other states, and that information about the alleged presence of North Korean troops in Russia may be "contradictory."[14] The Kremlin's apparent desire to assure South Korea that its cooperation with North Korea is not a threat to Seoul suggests that the Kremlin remains very concerned about the prospect of Seoul's potential pivot towards providing Ukraine with necessary military support, and the implications of worsened relations with Seoul for Russian security interests in the Asia Pacific region. Russia has previously attempted to court Seoul in order to mitigate the impacts of its growing reliance on North Korea, as ISW has noted.[15]
Well, if ISW is correct about the Kremlin aiming to reduce tensions, it doesn't sound like tensions are being reduced a whole lot.
Scrambling,???? Like they just accidentally found themselves aiding on their front lines? Journalism is dead.
Apparently they wanted cheap soldiers but wasn't expecting South Korea help Ukrainians in bombing them, or they are trying to convince South Korea not to help Ukraine idk
Seems credible that there is no threat to ROK. OP is suggesting a tiny role for ROK being discussed anyway.
I can't wait until the Chinese start sending troops.
Thisiswherethefunbegins.webm
starting to look like ukraine is everyones sandbox test area for war tech
This is a good thing. In practice I imagine the Ukrainians and South Koreans will speak English to each other, which is fine, but sometimes you wonder how much is lost in translation.
Dystopian.
I guarantee NATO has "unofficial" personnel deep in Ukraine. For the Special Forces units, this is the true test to face off against Spetsnaz.
Not really, there was but they all left after the invasion started. Any training happens in NATO soil now. And i dont think any SFs would want to be caught dead (literally) operating in the front lines.
it's unfathomably stupid to think NATO would risk an international war just to beat some Russian ass.
if NATO wanted in the war, NATO would have won the war 10 months ago.
No, I think they should make price controls on goods and raise the minimum to $30 per hour
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Very weird choice. They don't have to do this at all.
And Ukraine doesn't need their intelligence officers either. Because it's not like NK has some sort of capable force.
It’s still a very good idea for any country to keep close tabs on an adversary. Complacency never benefits anybody. And the South Koreans will be better at translating, especially when it comes to any slang, regional dialects, etc.
The third world war has begun.
More and more countries are going to align with one of the belligerents, but countries on all continents, including the superpowers, are already involved.
And it's gonna be a clusterfuck:- BRICS now represents more people and more GDP than NATO.
- Turkey will soon be in both.
- Germany is politically split down the middle again.
- Most of Africa is dependent on China now.
- The US are morally bankrupt and don't inspire the world anymore.
- And in 20 years, the climate change migration period will start in full.
The US are morally bankrupt and don’t inspire the world anymore.
Another perfect example of a story about another country, and someone in the Lemmy comments just having to shit on America. It's amazing. Virtually without fail.
We have the biggest stick several times over, and use it to inflict ourselves everywhere.
We are unfortunately always relevant because we insist on interjecting ourselves in everything that there's a private profit angle in.
This story is about South Korea engaging in an active proxy war. Guess who their primary munitions supplier is.
One of our primary, and for some reason prided exports are our whiz bang tools of mass murder. We are the global lord of war. I wish we weren't highly relevant in almost every geopolitical conflict on Earth.
Especially since we rarely have benevolent intent. Helping Ukraine happens to be, but that's the exception, NOT the rule, and it certainly can't equal the malice we spread both in the past and today in the other current major geopolitical conflict we're in the profitable but wrong side on.
Neat!
Wrong, but neat!
And in 20 years, the climate change migration period will start in full.
It already has. Syrian instability started with droughts. The worse of it, is that war will always be a higher priority to oil interests and their captured governments than cooperating on human sustainability.
"Germany is slip" as being Nazi was an inherited trait of Germans lol