No Policy Change: In CNN Interview, Harris Refuses to Condition U.S. Military Support for Israel
Kamala Harris Refuses to Condition U.S. Military Support for Israel
She's taken AIPAC money, she's drank the koolaid. She can't go back now. Most of them have, we saw what happened to most of those who didn't. Our politicians are all bought and paid for, dont ever forget that and let's get rid of FPTP so we the people can end this corruption. And if that doesnt work, well, you'll find me ravenous outside of Citizens United.
Edit: go ahead and downvote but at least look with your fucken eyeballs. AIPAC didn't blow hundreds of millions on our elections because they dont matter. Theres a purpose there.
Adding context...
'Very Bad Sign for Democracy': AIPAC Has Spent Over $100 Million on 2024 Elections
AIPAC's billionaire-funded super PAC has helped defeat two of the most vocal opponents of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip.
Its also that as Vice President she's a member of the United States Cabinet and United States National Security Council. Who do you think has been making the policy in Bidens administration?
Anyone that convinced themselves she would 180 on her own national security decisions has been delusional.
The US is an Oligarchy in everything but name, so of course...
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Look I'm voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn't go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF.
This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.
The one that got me was when they justified dropping bombs on civilians to hit tunnel hatches. No evidence Hamas was present, just gotta hit that hatch.
How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?
Fuck the men that didn't want to die, I guess
Women and children are generally given as examples because they're widely perceived as unambiguously not combatants compared to men by most people.
Nobody's saying "fuck the men that didn't want to die". If someone says "how many women and girls were simply living their lives when they were sexually assaulted" and your immediate and only response is "so what, no one cares about men and boys who were sexually assaulted?", can you see why that's kind of a nonsensical conclusion to make?
Bad faith argument. Be better.
And there it is, colors shown true.
The US is an oligarchy in everything but name. The average voter doesn't want this policy, but that's not what matters for Harris. That's not what matters in an oligarchy.
What matters is the few with means, not most.
The numbers I have seen state that about 60% of Americans support Israel, with 25% unsure which side they support in the conflict.
60 percent support it's existence. Support for them blowing up Gaza is far lower. Conflating the two is a common Israeli propaganda theme. Even to declaring that Hamas would genocide them if they didn't do this.
Choose which stick.
No carrots available.
US support for genocide, regardless of the country of origin. Is going to end badly. Trump supports Russia, The dems support Israel. No matter who you pick, some defenseless group of people is going to pay the price for your vote. Atrocious.
Trump has said multiple times he has unwavering support of Israel and would give them even more weapons. Harris might be pushing the status quo which sucks but Trump would do much worse. I mean fuck Trump moved the US embassy to Jerusalem and recognized Israel's claim to the Golan Heights. Trump already dunped a shit ton of fuel on the fire of war down there. Saying the two of them are both the same is some bullshit false equivalency crap. Get educated on a topic before you decide to barf out stupid comments.
Trump supports Russia and Israel, the dems support Israel. If you pick Trump, both groups pay the price. Depending on who you pick one group will pay the price or not, one group will pay the price no matter what; yet for this group (the Palestinians) the degree to which will probably differ, I suspect Trump may be worse given that he avoids supporting a ceasefire at all and tells the Israeli government to finish what they started. People from Palestine state the same: Trump would be worse, but neither choice would support them.
To be clear though, the dems aren't supporting a genocide, they're supporting Israel to keep Iran from running roughshot through the middle east. They're doing more than the rest of the world is by at least trying to negotiate a ceasefire. Better than writing finish them with a sharpie on the bombs.
Harris leans to the right more every day
This is who she's always been. Find speeches of hers back when she was in California, they're just as right wing as she is right now.
I'd be curious on examples.
Edit: Down voted but no examples given. Sad but expected.
I would support a candidate that is opposed to genocide.
And this is why hope was in that box with all the other curses.
She knows it's about Iran, not Israel and some local border dispute.
Only a genocide deniers would call this "some local border dispute" at this time.
@JustZ@lemmy.world right now:
Decided to look it up, and the "we're doing too much for Israel" is only at 40% of Dems, higher than GOPs 30% but it isn't a majority even of her own party. And it's an even fewer willing to say no weapons or call it a genecide. It's certainly more people than it was a few months ago, but if you want the Dems to take a stronger stance, you'll need to push those poll numbers farther because her messaging is reflecting that.
Now that's not to say they're right, Americans in general aren't exactly the brightest or most informed bunch (see our response to 9/11, ugh), but representative government is going to reflect public sentiment. If you want to fight for Gaza, find ways to convince your neighbors or family members. If 60% called for a ban on weapons sales, you better believe it'll be reflected in the platform.
Can you link that poll please? I’ve seen it as well, but can’t find it again.
I’m pretty sure you’re misrepresenting it, one of the options was “uncertain” at around 35%. “doing too much” was the predominant view.
This is akin to saying “only 30% of Americans voted for Joe Biden and he somehow still won” neglecting to mention that you’re including non voters.
Ok, Google is a bit of a dumpster fire, but here's a few things retracing my steps:
That's in May, but it's a more popular link. That and a thing from Chicago foreign affairs which idk as well so I didn't link it.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/29/politics/israel-gaza-americans-poll-chicago/index.html
This is two days ago, had to tell Google to look for recent. It's not what I'm citing but it echoes it. People aren't thrilled with CNN, but it's not the only source if you do the time limited search yourself.
If I didn't have two kids driving me crazy past their bedtime I'd search out more but the whole ordeal reeks of false consensus bias. Most people want to believe they're in the majority. But if it makes people feel better, the anti war minority is probably correct (and my guess is the real majority is just ignorance or indifference).
Edit: it's 61% saying US is doing well there. Most of it is "somewhat" so it's not like it's 5/5 stars. The Chicago one actually is a good read and it's what the CNN one is based on I think. https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-see-united-states-playing-positive-role-middle-east
If this bothers you then vote for some candidate and party other than Harris and the dems.
I like PSL.
Terrible idea. A better plan is vote progressives into congress. The presidency literally doesn’t matter. Congress gets to dictate almost everything the President can do.
Why? So that Trump ends up in office and does worse?
No, because the only thing elections track is approval. If genocide is too much for a person to approve of then they need to vote for a different candidate.
Why can't we just vote for the biggest leftist party with the most ballot access? Ya know, the green party
I will generally not recommend people vote for or support the greens because they represent a directionless triangulation with no vision.
I’ve had the opportunity to vote green in every national election they’ve been in and even chosen them a few times and they’ve always let me down.
propaganda from both parties keep people at the bottom of the juice pitcher unable to breath fresh air and there are too few not drinking the punch to do anything
huge crab effect going on here
like when you go crabbing and put all the crabs in the bucket and the crabs that almost get out get stopped by their peers
I finally understand what "Vote blue no matter who" means. They're all the same.
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Narrator: But they didn't understand.
The number of "left" voters in this community that are doing their damnedest to get Trump elected never ceases to disturb me.
The way Harris refuses to court her own voting base never ceases to disturb me
Ftfy.
Its not on voters. Voters will do what they will do. Its on politicians who we vote for. Also I will be voting for Harris and also protesting at every event where I can to demand this apartheid and genocide to end.
Stop making Israel an election issue and worry about your own damn country. If you want to vote on Israel's future move there, become a citizen and vote. But you live in the u.s, put down your world police badge and vote on your country's matters. If not a single one of your leaders and candidates supports an issue, IT'S NOT AN ELECTION ISSUE.
Single issue voters. They don't understand wider implications of their actions, however well intended they are.
The number of pro-genocide centrists who accuse anyone who doesn't love genocide as much as they do of being trumpers will never surprise me.
Maybe they just have a tendency to confuse the painfully obvious consequences of not voting or voting against Harris for your actual intended goals. Trump is clearly going to be worse for Palestinians since he outright said Netanyahu should just finish the job, so if you're on a clear and obvious path to getting someone even worse elected, we can't help but wonder if you don't actually care about the Palestinians because for all the bitching and moaning about Harris's stance, you're on your way to making the situation objectively worse.
Saying they are "pro-genocide" is beyond hyperbolic.
These type of extreme, over the top comments hurt way more than help.
Sorry, but for many of us, genocide is our red line.
Point me to the correct candidate please. Oh right, you can't because somehow it's my fault that the two party system took away literally every option you could possibly have. Maybe i should've have voted for the non genocide candidate in my primary. Oh wait my state didn't have one because i didn't need to choose a candidate. That's ok, no one else was running anyway because who the fuck can out raise the incumbents.
Seriously though, you are asking an impossible question and getting angry when you don't get the answer you want. No one wants to vote for genocide. No one wants this to be the situation.
We can be upset with her decisions and policies and still very easily acknowledge that one of the candidates is clearly worse. Trump has outright said Netanyahu should just finish the job. He wouldn't just not resist, he'd actively encourage it. It's like choosing between getting shot with a .22 or a .45 bullet to your leg. Both fucking suck, nobody wants to choose either, but if you're knowledgeable about all the consequences and paying attention, it's not a difficult choice.
But brah, it's totally acceptable to overreact when one candidate doesn't give us every little fucking thing we want, and MORE. They better cowtow, or I'm gonna keep being mean in comments because that's useful and productive for reealz.
I'll totally trash their bullshit because I'm not "working for the man", dawg. Kamala is just more bullllshiiiit or whatever stupid thing we people say. Palestine on ma dingdong, and JillStein4Prez ✌️💩💩
Do you genuinely think that people are being petulant or petty or something because they strongly object to their leadership supporting an ongoing genocide? Like this is some unreasonable "pet issue" or something?
Imagine supporting genocide so hard that this is what you think of anyone who objects to it in any way at all ever.
Disgusting mindset.
"Grandpa, what did you do when the genocides were happening?"
"Told people off for not being enthusiastic about voting for pro-genocide candidates"
"I told them to vote for the candidate that would finish the job, sweetheart"
"No, I meant the one in Sudan"
"There was one in Sudan? Well, I didn't do anything. You see, there were no Democrats to blame"
Yup. These types of articles and threads are designed to help Trump but muddying the water