If you burn down a forest to make a shitty .wad John Romero should be legally allowed to hunt you for sport.

This is “GameNGen” (pronounced “game engine”), and is the work of researchers from Google, DeepMind, and Tel Aviv University.

of course this shit came out of israel lmao.

Not content to destroy Palestine, Israel has its sight set on the entire world

Saw the videos of it in action, and the best way I can describe it is "what it's like to play Doom in a dream." The graphics are often fuzzy. The health and ammo counters go weird. Enemies move slowly and fade in and out of existence. Exploded slime barrels respawn when the player's not looking. Very weird and surreal.

I could see using this tech's limitations to its advantage, creating strange and uncanny experiences along the lines of LSD: Dream Emulator, if it weren't so awful for the environment.

EDIT: It was posted to r/singularity lmao

- There has to be a way to pipe image frames into a music viz like Milkdrop. Replace the waveform with the output of the game engine but keep all the trippy distortion effects.
- Comrade, I'm so glad you're back.
  Your gate for techbro/reddit "culture" is so pure and no one on this site does it better.

i saw this tweet yesterday and as a game dev and designer it legit made me mad

it's the same shit AI bros do every time - they have to dumb down the meaning of the thing they're trying to imitate poorly, because they have to shift the goal posts to pretend that what they do has any legitimacy

this is in no way a game engine, and trying to pretend it is requires abstracting and dumbing down entire fields of study these nerds have never even dipped their toes into

I think they're aware of how absurd their claims are, but they think that the most important thing is the "potential" for this technology to generalize and eventually come to achieve what they're promising now. The issue is they'd essentially need AGI to take it from this to a real game engine, and that's obviously not happening.
- Yep. Like any good grift, it isn't about what it can actually do, but what it could hypothetically do if enough people "invest" in it.

I think the funniest part of this is that it still needs an extant game to be trained on and the end result still has no awareness or way of tracking your surroundings.

You literally already have a game that works but instead you want to strap two 4090's together to play a worse version of that same game with no level design and enemies disappear if you turn around fast enough (the 'engine' will quite literally forget about them if they're off screen)

wow this AI is so great it can very, very poorly imitate images from a 31 year old video game that's specifically well known for its versatility and ease to port

maybe in a few years AI can catch up to the gaming abilities of a refrigerator

It is infinitely more impressive they got DOOM to play on a printer display than this horseshit

We have Doom, yes, but what about a shittier, energy-hungry version sprouted from the mind of a convulsing robot baby?

Accompanied by the wordless screaming of neuralinked monkeys, like a choir of forsaken angels howling at the unholy birth
- We are rapidly aproaching the level of lobotomised cyber baby cherubs, aren't we? Something that even Games Workshop think is a step too far.

The video has the player being as slow and careful as possible, while keeping the rooms well framed at all times. In the last second of the video the player looks at a wall and then looks away, and they've transported to somewhere entirely different.

In the last second of the video the player looks at a wall and then looks away, and they've transported to somewhere entirely different.
This is showing us how toddlers see the world. The model currently lacks object permanence. Everything outside its current field of view stops existing. When asked to redraw, it has to start from scratch. Everything in its world is ephemeral, floating around haphazardly. It has no hard ground to fall on and rise up from.
This model is interacting with its world as an 8-18 month toddler would. Instead of pointing it at Doom, I'd like to know what it does with an actual camera.
Point that generative model back at itself and give it access to a real-world against which to compare its predictions.

I'm not sure why this person thinks its impressive to have an AI accurately predict the layout of one of the most commonly played Doom levels? If I remember correctly, this map even has a demo playing on startup.

Like what's the point of this? Being able to exactly recreate the data it was trained on isn't even an achievement in ML, it's just called "overfitting".

John Romero is still going to make you his bitch

Suck it down.

This is Baby's First RNN level thinking.

Elon had to sprinkle this with his own contribution of shit flakes.

is this why the "full self driving" feature doesn't work? because after a new frame is emitted random things just pop up mysteriously?
- The car just hallucinates what it believes the road in front of it should do, no actual interpretation of any real world is happening
- Look at me guys! The people I own do cool things worth talking about too (the things in question are cool because I said so)! That makes me cool by extension, right?! LOOK AT ME

The entire staff of iD should be allowed to run you down with chainsaws tbh

Sadly John Carmack and Sandy Peterson are chuds
- That's just a coin flip now isn't it?

this tweet is so stupid I thought it was Elon until I looked

VINTAGE

Now feed it nonstop terrywads

Diffusion models aren't terribly power hungry compared to something like chatGPT*, but it's weird and honestly worthless idea in the first place, so please shit on it.

*Technically you can have a gpt text embedding to drive a diffusion model so they can be just as bad, but it isn't necessarily always the case.

I kind of want to hit this person with a brick.

Why aren't the nerds building cool robots that could solve real problems?

Because our problems are profitable
- Robots hard and expensive too. Much easier to make bad art.

Neat.

I don't really understand the issue people have with this. Sure it doesn't look like a particularly playable or fun game currently, but I do think it's an interesting PoC that explores different uses for current "AI". It's an idea people may likely build on.

Let me tell you some of them:
Energy use
Lack of game state past 3 seconds (the number the paper cites)
Energy use
The impossibility of implementing game state past 3 seconds without investing oodles of hours of coding work.
Energy use
- I didn't say it was a good game, I literally said it was an interesting PoC.
  I understand the energy use objection though, how much energy did this use?
It’s stupid

People are being super weird about this paper. People who's income depends on AI hype are saying that "in the future all games will run on neural networks", which is retarded. And people who hate AI hype are complaining about the energy use, and saying it's pointless and unimpressive. And like... I guess we should all stop doing anything with computers that doesn't directly contribute to curing cancer or something.

I guess we should all stop doing anything with computers that doesn't directly contribute to curing cancer or something.
We should have budgeted and project planning for energy use, yes. And it shouldn’t include AI deepfakes of women, or play a game that are 30 years old.
- Why?
Counterpoint: You can run doom on your fridge or your mixer and it eats next to no energy. That's fun and impressive as far as uses of technology go.
There are many uses of technology and computing that are good. There are also many uses of computing that would be super nice to have, that we are not doing because no one can easily profit off of them. Heck, if you ask me, computer games are great, they are a new medium of entertainment that we haven't had through most of our history and that has unlimited potential for expression and fun! That's so very worthwile to pursue!
This though, this is just pointless. This is people desperately trying to keep investors hype about a technology that fundamentally won't do what it was advertised as, that won't ever reach the heights that people associate with the buzzwords used to sell it and that, while people keep pushing it, is actively burning untold resources in a big, pointless fire that produces nothing but climate change and samey, boring titty pictures.
It also involves theft from working people in nearly all cases, with this specific one being one of the very few where that's not the case. So good on them for that I guess.
but that still doesn't mean this is good. Not just because of the energy use, but because the 'game' they are simulating has a 3 second memory. That's not a trivial problem to solve, as each frame of memory they add also adds tons of computing complexity to the problem that needs to be solved to generate the next frame. The levels also make no sense and would still make no sense if you add this long-term memory. The AI doesn't know what a blue key is, that it should place it, that it should place a blue door with it and that you should not be able to reach the part of the level past the blue door without going through that door. There is more but I think the point is made. The only way to solve these issues would be to basically program the AI to run doom, which defeats the whole purpose of this experiment.
And then even if they do that, there is no AI. At no point did the program doing this understand what it is doing. Heck, you could have a better result then this by having the AI generate doom map maker files. At least then it would not need all the graphical input and output in real time! But they didn't do that because this so-called AI has one very specific thing it can do and that is making pictures and so every problem has to be solved with that one and only tool.
Basically, as soon as generative AI enters the picture, it's bad. There are some few applications that it has uses for, but right now we are in a giant stupid bubble that is killing our planet while it gets more and more inflated and that....is bad.
it's just easier to say it uses a lot of energy then to say all this and engage with this crap. People are tired of this AI shit. Saying it kills the planet really should be enough of a reason to stop doing it, but we live in a society where people with a big digital number on their bank account get to do whatever the fuck they want and we can't stop them. Yet.
And like... I guess we should all stop doing anything with computers that doesn't directly contribute to curing cancer or something.
Yeah, we should. In this dog shit world it will inevitably be a grift anyway, but at the very least it’ll attract people who actually care about doing good things to maybe develop something good for the world instead of new investment vehicles.