BadEmpanada is mad Hasan went to the DNC, I guess.
BadEmpanada is mad Hasan went to the DNC, I guess.
Dude just loves riling himself up into a frenzy, doesn’t he? I guess he was mad that Hasan was going to interview Obama, which never even happened, and now he thinks Hasan is a “genocide supporter” because a random YouTube clip he came across that said “Hasan supports Kamala’s policies”, which he never even watched and was most likely just clipped. Hasan isn’t perfect, but fuck, you think at least him going to the DNC as a journalist would be considered fair from BE. Wild.
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we're never going to have an online radicalization pipeline
all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that
This is the reason I am in general fine with whatever Hasan's shenanigans are. Honestly my biggest reason that I do not hate his nepo-baby existence is because he is the anti-Vaush, whereas Vaush's pipeline is anarchist to natoist, Hasan's is clearly democrat to communist.
It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.
I just wish people could sit down and read, for their own sake. I'm guilty of doing very little reading myself (only read a couple modern theory books and 2 Marx and Lenin books lol) but the fact that everything complex has to get simplified into videos and clips just makes it incredibly hard to transmit a whole different worldview.
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It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences, but I will settle.
Could you expand on this?
A better, and more helpful way for young leftists to 'do politics' when you are young is not through media consumption, but through actual participation in politics. In particular, a very interesting breeding ground for these experiences is school politics, where you will begin, if you can even run a successful campaign in the first place (which is a learning experience itself) how systems of power actually influence the world, like how a 'democratic institution" is actually completely at the whims of an undemocratic bureaucracy.
For example, when I was a young rad-lib in high school, I was treasurer for two years in a row, with one of the major projects that happened in our first year being the development of a subsidized after-school study program for under-performing students that would actually pay kids to be there (we could only afford 5 dollars an hour a day, but it was better than nothing). This was because most of the kids I knew that were struggling in school also had other money problems this would require not doing expensive dances, but we felt that if we could get students even a little extra time, it could potentially get us more government money for the school in general. Surprisingly, most of the student government was on board with it. After running it through a bunch of different things, we eventually were able to vote on a version of the program that would run for only one month before standardized testing. Not great, but again, better than nothing.
After the vote, we went to the administration to iron out the details with them, and they immediatly put the kai-bosh on it, killing the program in the womb and telling us we were interfering with academic programming and that it was illegal. To be fair, it might not be legal to pay kids to go to school, but we didn't know that.
The next year we were allowed to spend a bunch of money on a huge new American flag and huge dance venue on a military base, being strictly monitored throughout our voting process. You know, things that only benefit rich kids and subsidize costs that the administration themselves should be spending.
It was one of the eye-openers for me and really started me down the path of radicalization, more so than any event that was mediated (the Iraq war etc.) in particular it taught me not to trust what I believed at the time were 'so-called liberal administrators'. My full turn toward M-L theory and communism came after watching and participating in the Bernie campaign, but I likely would have never done that without those formative experiences in actual student politics.
Meanwhile, almost every radical anarchist kid I knew in school (we didn't have any commies at the time), that didn't participate in student government because it was 'lame and pointless' (which, ya know, fair) has become some form of hyper-online right-wing libertarian or anarcho-natoist in their thirties. It's one of those things where I feel like because they never actually are where the rubber hits the road, their politics are almost purely reactionary, as opposed to attempting to be forward thinking, program oriented and analytical. The real ones were big in Food Not Bombs, and aren't as online.
Absolutely, absolutely, well said. I swore there was something I wanted to add but I can't remember it.
S'all good, post it if you remember.
It's all still very fucking stupid and I wish the kids would get their politics elsewhere, from like actual lived experiences
this is the point users in here seem to miss
but I will settle.
I won't
Scolding the kids will only get you so far. They have to have time to grow up. That being said, I do not take the political convictions of teenagers very seriously, much like I don't take the political convictions of academics very seriously, because neither are fully engaged with the life experience of the industrial proletariat.
Wouldn’t you consider someone like Parenti an academic?
Parenti absolutely was an academic. And he's a good one. A great one even. That said, it wouldn't have shaken my personal political convictions of he had suddenly denounced the entirety of his work and endorsed the democrats, or suddenly decided the USSR was bad actually, and that anarchist Catalonia was the one true leftist movement. He's just an observer, not a participant, in revolution.
This is opposed to someone like Trotsky, who I take far more seriously, who for me has taken many years of exposure and reading to understand what elements of his criticism of the USSR are valid, and what parts are cuckoo-bananas ideological hallucinations given the period of time he lived in. And for Trotsky, his criticisms got more outlandish the less involved and responsible he was with the actual process of government. Another example, someone like Gorbachev should be taken seriously, but given his cowardice to publicly oppose Stalin's popularity with the people of the USSR after his death, it is difficult to treat him as acting in good faith.
I take revolutionaries and their histories and ideas very seriously. Half the reason I take Marx seriously is because Mao, Lenin, and Ho Chi Mihn take him seriously, and understanding revolutionary theory in the 20th century is impossible without understanding him.
this is why having a Twitch Streamer celebrity as a "pipeline" to being "leftist" is completely irrelevant and not a point in streamer's favor. Oh so the kids online are consuming a different flavor of brainrot content? So what? It's all a fake online game if this is your avenue of approach and I suspect people in this thread take umbrage with that analysis because they also approached from this angle and to some extent, it's a fake online game to them too
I am hoping it's more of a theory exposure therapy for the horrors yet to come. We'll have to see.
Go the fuck outside
no u
Hasan functions as Chapo for people born after 9/11
all I will say regarding this is that my brother started watching Hasan a year ago and he's gone from a biden supporter to a kamala-despising communist, so if Hasan's role is funnelling disaffected people back into liberalism, anecdotally, he's very much failing at that
Hasan repeatedly shutting down anti-"tankie" rhetoric is the source of this.
Everyone that either silently allows that shit or vocally supports it funnels people back into the dems.
Everyone that does not allow that shit funnels people into further radicalisation.
It's that simple.
BE does this with his insufferable ultra shit. If he did anything but sit in his gamer chair and spend half his time punching left I wouldn't hate him as much.