So why do you perfer Kbin over Lemmy?
I have most of the Fediverse-based account and seem to have just gravitated towards Lemmy over Kbin as found it very confusing, What makes you prefer Kbin over Lemmy or any other Fediverse instances?
Extra features like (apologies for the run-on sentence) being able to see upvotes and downvotes on threads and comments like lemmy admins can, better integration with mastodon, every community has both a 'reddit-like' section like Lemmy/Reddit, and a 'twitter-like' section which as I mentioned integrates with mastodon via hashtags, we can block users, communities, domains and (soon) instances, we have a wide variety of user-style scripts via Tampermonkey to customize the UI (the base UI is also, subjectively, better).
Given its all federated, you also don't lose anything by using kbin since you have access to lemmy too. Plus the dev is just the nicest, hard working son of a bitch lol.
Only drawback is we dont have an API yet, so for mobile you're stuck with the mobile site, but the mobile site is also really good so eh. Once the API is up tho there's a few apps which have already said they'll support kbin as well, so that's a matter of time.
@GeekFTW Seems like the API is close ... https://kbin.social/m/kbinMeta/p/903221/kbin-s-API-is-coming-soon-I-ve-finished-up-all-of
Ooooh perfect!
Thank you for breaking it down for me, seems like it's really up to if someone wants better control over things than Lemmy currently does.
Do you recall which mobile apps were going to support kbin?
If my (usually shite) memory serves, I believe I Artemis, Boost, and Sync, but I may be wrong.
I rage quit Lemmy when I saw the developers of it defending genocide. Previously I had heard about that through the grapevine and thought I could hold my nose and use Lemmy anyway but when I read the actual discussion it made me sick.
Plus I know the language kbin is written in so I can contribute better to kbin.
This is when I came over to kbin. Never saw it myself but was warned of it.
The kicking-off point was that I actually had created two communities and made a post in each one talking about how I was toying with the idea of using the Reddit API to mirror posts into them from the subreddits of the same name and then they magically disappeared (I assumed deleted by admins). So I dug into it and asked @feditips and was told they don't recommend Lemmy for those same reasons.
Turns out it was a weird nuance of language settings that hid them from me, despite being a mod of the new communities. So they are still there, but now I'm SERIOUSLY questioning the capabilities to moderate if I couldn't see posts because of language selection, especially my own posts.
Yeah I'll have to look into that as if they are accepting not only Genocide but possibly the Genocide of Trans people then I've got to get out quick due to being a Trans Person myself.
Used Lemmy first and the Jerboa app. It felt familiar and I wrapped my head around in in a day or two.
Then I learned about the devs philosophies and just decided i didn't personally want to use their program.
I swapped to Kbin and have found the community to be very wonderful and engaging. I found the UI to be very clean. I also love the built in mastadon support.
Kbin is much younger than Lemmy, so things can only improve from here!
It's good to know that Kbin is newer than Lemmy, probably hints why some of it needs a bit of work but I have enjoyed the two seconds of usage I have had on it. Also, I'm only just learning now about the stuff that Lemmy has done, Not sure it's been suppressed or people are just not informed, I will look further into Kbin thank you.
I answered this the other day over at asklemmy so I'm going to cut n paste:
Why I joined
Why I stayed
For me it was the UI. Replies to comments on Lemmy are offset by, like, a single pixel. They're more obvious here. Yup, that was the biggest thing for me.
Yes, that was the first thing I noticed about Lemmy. Why even have nested comments if they're indented so little? Terrible!
Kbin is better but I still needed to make it even bigger before I was satisfied. And add collapsing comments.
Preferred the stock UI of Kbin, then I found out about userstyles and am in love with them. I'm a big fan of the microblogging, as it's a place for posts that don't warrant a full thread, but can still spark discussion. The politics of the Lemmy devs disgust me, so I'd rather not use a site using their software. Public upvotes/downvotes are great IMO, lets things be more transparent (like for instance I upvote all my posts, without it being public no one would know), plus it helps catch fake votes.
I also just find the name Kbin to be more catchy than Lemmy. Like GabeN, or k than.
Userstyles?
I mean, share?
They don't work with Lemmy, but they've made Kbin very much like old Reddit.
Use these with Stylus
https://userstyles.world/style/10581/pretty-floating-subs
https://userstyles.world/style/10851/the-narwhal-kbins-at-dawn
https://userstyles.world/style/10288/kbin-it
Use these with Tampermonkey (Greasemonkey for FireFox)
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469121-floating-subs-list
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/470285-kbin-kibby-avatars
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/468898-kbin-redirect-dev
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/469597-kbin-usability-pack
https://github.com/aclist/kbin-kes/raw/main/kes.user.js
Thank you, this really has opened up my mind.
I had created a Lemmy account at the beginning, not having a clue about things (like so many of us). Then I ran into someone suggesting Kbin - had to search around to figure out where it was and how to get it. The early stock UI for Kbin won me over vs. Lemmy's, even though the content was (more or less) the same. With lots of scripting to customize the looks further and with features those scripts or default that Lemmy users are asking for at the moment, I'm very happy here.
Am I getting the same as any other Lemmy user? I think it comes and goes (it seems to vary between Lemmy instances too), but that's a matter of maturing the federation workings, and I get plenty as it is so it's not like there's nothing to see. Plus when I need more things to look at I can jump over to the microfeed tab and get lots to read as well from Mastadon.
I've seen "kbin is confusing" a few times, and frankly can't imagine any aspect of it that is confusing at all.
Neither. One of the reasons I'm here is it's less confusing.
I didn’t stick with Lemmy long enough to make this point of comparison, but just as someone who never got into Twitter in the first place, the microblogging section is definitely taking some time to wrap my head around. That said, I really like that it’s there and I think it’s a major boon over lemmy. I hope community owners and moderators will get more microblogging integration options for magazines as Kbin advances.
I like the user interface of kbin, and I just hate the name lemmy. Only one thing in this world should be called lemmy.
I made a kbin and a beehaw account originally, then left beehaw when they raised a ton of red flags about how incapable they were at moderating at scale. Then I made a Vlemmy account until the insurance just disappeared overnight. So at this point I'm on kbin exclusively by accident I guess, but I do like the default mobile UI and the Artemis app more than any of the current lemmy UI options (though I am waiting eagerly for Sync).
Curious what parts of kbin are confusing or more difficult to use when compared to Lemmy?
As far as I can tell, they're mostly the same, especially coming from Reddit
Simple answer,
The ability to instantly hide viewed posts: https://greasyfork.org:4001/en/scripts/469175-kbin-hide-posts-after-voting/code
the better UI is just a plus ... I'm mostly browsing local instances and lemmy.world anyways
@SamXavia I have accounts on lemmy, kbin and Mastodon.social, and I've pretty much settled on the masto. Maybe because I never was a twitter user, it is a slightly novel format for me. Anyway, there are plenty of humans there, so lots to share and engage with...
Preference: Kbin, because of the UI / UX
But also: I have accounts on kbin, Lemmy and mastadon, my favorite part is switching when I need a different flavor of hot/active, or something’s going on with another server.
Yeah I do see the use of using multiple but I know that I will in the future prefer having a 'Main' and as of the moment it seems like my Lemmy will be that.
I suspect I will eventually go to just one account. If this "Memmy" app essentially connects the two, that could be a good solution. Do you use your same account for both? I created separate. Here I am on Lemmy
https://sh.itjust.works/u/JKMooney
aesthetics, mostly. and honestly it's just the first place i've put my roots down, I don't think I have any specific loyalty to one instance or another.
I have kbin and beehaw(lemmy) and honestly every time I go to Beehaw, it errors out, serverside 50x errors. Sometimes I get a few link clicks, it's just so erratic. I know I need to try joining another instance, but I liked that one when it was accessible lol. kbin has been solid for me, so usually I lurk here. I know other lemmy instances must be stable, I just haven't tried them because kbin works for me.
That is completly fair enough, I personally find Lemmy.world stable but some other people don't seem to have the same expereince. My guess is because of the location of the server.
Honestly, I feel bad for whining about it, because it seems to be working today fine. I am sure other instances are doing alright, I see enough Lemmy posts federated to know it's not like... systemic... so I should have tried more before complaining. It's just my personal experience with the one I joined.
With the option, I find myself having both beehaw and Kbin tabs open with little preference for either, which you'd think is redundant with federation, but idk. I do like that if one is down, there is a chance another is up.
That’s more beehaw than general lemmy. They are struggling with scaling.
Not really fond of things made by genocide-friendly ass-people.
So Kbin.
It integrates better with Mastodon, I can post to hashtags and see hashtags from here.
Federated authentication. UI on mobile was good enough.
Started with kbin today. After the first few interactions , it seems to get much better.
Edit: had to scroll down fully to type this comment. Is it just me or is it like this ?
Iirc that's intentional so you are more likely to read what others have written before starting your own comment chain. That might just be Tildes though, there that's explicitly said to be the reason why the commenting box is at the bottom.
One thing that I like about kbin is that it's not trying to be "x, but federated" like lemmy or mastodon for example. It's more exiting to try to make something new! I think it's very apparent how some parts of lemmy are full of redditisms on purpose which I disslike.
That said, I do have a lemmy account that I use for posting about other stuff. There are a tons of website sprouting up as contenders for a space in the new internet landscape and I'm having a lot of fun trying them out without really binding myself to one too tightly
I don't really understand the difference, I think it's a shame that a Reddit replacement gets split into two camps in the Fediverse. At the very least, they should use the exact same data at the back end and interact with each other seamlessly. In either case, this is what you get in an open protocol. Maybe one or the other will win out in the long run.
I feel like all the reddit neckbeards went to Lemmy. Better vibe over here plus branding + UI.
Yeah looking to see if I can bring the content I've used on here across or if I need to 100% restart from scratch again. I do luckily already have a Kbin account that I've been messing around with but don't want to lose my Communities / Magazines.
lemmy never worked for me. kbin has a betyer ui amd i can also see mastadon threads
I don't really; I'm just hedging my bets. I have noticed that kbin doesn't seem to go "down" as often as my Lemmy instance; on the other hand, there are still some bugs going on with kbin and I don't like that you can't yet collapse comments in threads. (unless I've missed something.)
I think Kbin has a lot of potential. I also think changing the name to something more catchy would help it grow more although IDK.
Came for the UI. Stayed for the granular settings (including turning federation on and off) and the content just seemed higher quality (though that is very subjective)
Fair enough, I seem to find it confusing as of the moment but I'll give it a proper go to see if I prefer it in the end.
How is it confusing? I've tried both and neither were hard to use, I purely picked Kbin for aesthetics.
For me it’s more straight forward than Lemmy, possibly because of the UI. I still can’t find content I want, but overall it’s easier than lemmy and I can’t really put my finger on why. It’s interesting to me that you have the opposite impression!
Which UI?
ETA: asking since people will see this across the fediverse, and may not realize where you posted this
Just the mobile website works pretty well by itself. I’m using the Artemis beta now and I like it a lot too.
@numbscroll Good point. Kbin.
@SamXavia