10mo ago

Let's do an experiment

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How many people are actually advocating for non voting?
All I see on Lemmy is people begging for a candidate with a better shot at beating trump, and then they get screeched at that only Biden can stop trump because....
Well, they never give a reason why it has to be Biden.
- How many people are actually advocating for non voting?
  Uh, lots. There's been a tireless effort here in leftist spaces discouraging voting for "genocide Joe" without actually providing alternatives.
  Well, they never give a reason why it has to be Biden.
  It's because politics moves slowly and it's way too late for someone else to start campaigning, plus he's the incumbent. If you had someone in mind a year ago, it would be worth discussing. It'll never happen in the next 4 months.
  
  They could easily switch to the current vice president and get some new relatively known person on board as her running mate.
  This is exactly what would happen if Biden suddenly had a major health issue.
  
  If Biden stepped down and Joe Schmoe from Fucking, Indiana was elevated to presidential candidate for the Democratic party, they'd be known by 80% of the country in 24 hours. The "too late" narrative continued to be pushed multiple times until it was actually too late. I think this the 4th "too late" segment in his campaign.
  
  There’s been a tireless effort here in leftist spaces discouraging voting for “genocide Joe” without actually providing alternatives.
  I see you arguing against the alternatives that have bern provided to you. Bold face lies like this are just the name of the game for Biden supporters.
  
  This is shamelessly false though? What are you smoking?
  
  me, a disenfranchised Independent former Democrat who plans on voting for Jill Stein unless the DNC can produce a viable candidate
  Heres someone offering two different alternatives to you. Tired of the disrespect, people are allowed to support better candidates, you can vote for better candidates, we decide who becomes president and youre so convinced that we dont that Trumps gonna take the spot
  
  An alternative that relies on a majority of voters completely changing their voting strategies is not a workable alternative. Third party is a spoiler, always. A bit for Jill Stein only makes Trump more probable.
  
  No see this is moved goalposts, you said people werent providing you any alternatives, now youre complaining about the alternatives they provided you. Both different party to vote for, and democrats offering a better candidate.
  
  That's on me for assuming I didn't have to specify an alternative which isn't entirely counterproductive. Just like you generally don't hear people talking about coal-burning steam engines as an alternate energy source for cars. If your alternative causes more problems than it solves, it's not an alternative worth mentioning.
  
  Right now if your goal is to beat Trump, Biden is counterproductive. https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2024/6/29/in-post-debate-poll-voters-think-biden-is-too-old-to-be-president-yet-alternative-candidates-perform-similarly-against-trump
  
  Uh, lots.
  Are they in the room with us now?
  and it’s way too late for someone else to start campaigning
  What's weird, is the same people have been saying "it's too late" have been saying that since 2021 now...
  Like, the DNC essentially cancelled our primary this election, and are now saying we have to go with Biden because it's too late..
  When it's still not too late, because the convention hasn't happened...
  And the DNC has spent the last decade saying they can do what they want because it's a private party.
  Like, it's literally not too late...
  There's only so many ways to say this mate, the DNC hasn't named the nominee for the general election yet
  And even after they do, the DNC is a private party and they can just ignore primary results. They've literally paid lawyers to argue that to a judge very recently.
  It's never to late to do all we can to stop trump.
  
  Its not too late technically, you've listed all sorts of technical and logistical reasons, but it's far too late to a get a fresh face in front of people and expect them to vote for them.
  That's the too late part, it's possible, but it would be a massive risk and very expensive as they'd need to be running ADs non stop everywhere to go from a "fresh face" to "votable face" with the general public in 4 months
  Not to mention, you think the red states wouldn't do everything they can to stop having to change their ballots? I can see it now: "We're 4 months from the election, can't change it now ohhh welll!" ~Shithole Red states
  
  but it’s far too late to a get a fresh face in front of people and expect them to vote for them
  What?!
  The most common reason for voting Biden back to the last election was/is "he's not trump"...
  Literally anyone that's the Dem nominee will be a legit household name in 72 hours max. And they will get 100% of the votes Biden would get for not being trump.
  In addition to some people who couldn't hold their nose past a genocide, but because it really is D or trump, would begrudgeingly vote for Boe Jiden knowing it's gonna be functionally the same as voting Joe Biden.
  Like, that's the hard part to swallow.
  People are just voting Biden to prevent trump.
  And Biden is bad enough on his own, that Dem voters will take practically anyone else and throw equal support behind them.
  There is zero benefit to Joe Biden himself being president, what is important is it's not trump.
  So why not run the candidate with the best shot at beating trump?
  Like, it's fucking 2024 man. And you're honestly trying to say 4 months isn't enough time for a presidential candidate to get their name out?
  It's trump's fucking 3rd election...
  We know what's at stake. People are fucking paying attention.
  Which is why it doesn't make sense to waste that energy.
  Not to mention, you think the red states wouldn’t do everything they can to stop having to change their ballots? I can see it now: “We’re 4 months from the election, can’t change it now ohhh welll!” ~Shithole Red states
  The convention is over a month away...
  Like, you're ahead of schedule for what excuses you can pull out. But when the DNC hasn't even named their candidate yet. It's hard to argue it's too late to change
  There's just no logical way to defend your position.
  I'm sure it sucks bro
  
  Are they in the room with us now?
  Sure starting to seem like it...
- How many people are actually advocating for non voting?
  So, so many. PugJesus' and my history can attest to that.
  
  I looked at your history since you recommended it.
  I don't know why you wanted me to because it's not relevant to what we're talking about, but I did look at your post history like you asked.
  
  I didn't ask you to look at it -- I'm saying I've had countless arguments with people saying exactly that.
  Keep your eyes closed, if you like.
  Edit: You also can't have looked far. I've been interacting with one for the last few hours -- https://lemmy.ml/u/objection
  
  I intend to vote for a third party.
  Took a while to find the relevant info, but youre bold faced lying. No ones telling you not to vote, theyre just not voting for your genocide candidate

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