The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
The Reddit Protest Is Finally Over. Reddit Won.
The last major holdouts in the protest against Reddit’s API pricing relented, abandoning the so-called “John Oliver rules” which only allowed posts featuring the TV host. It's the official end of the battle. The Reddit protest is over, and Reddit won.
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If Reddit won, why have Lemmy and Kbin's userbases grown so steeply since June? Why has the quality of Reddit's content plummeted terribly? Why is /r/place just one endless ocean of "fuck spez"?
Reddit only "won" in the same way that Florida "won" against illegal immigrants and is now facing a massive workforce shortage in essential industries.
Reddit may not be dead yet, but it's mortally wounded already. It's bleeding out and will be dead in every way that matters soon.
Unfortunately, steeply here doesn't really capture the size disparity between Lemmy and Reddit. Lemmy has 60k active monthly users. Reddit has 450 million active monthly users. We have a looong way to go before we can really compete. But we just have to keep pushing. Now that we exist and have a sustainable userbase, the next time Reddit does something idiotic we'll be here to attract disgruntled users. Something good that we can be doing is showing up to the threads on Reddit about the terrible things Reddit does and advertising Lemmy to people.
I don't think a competition is necessary. I'm more than happy if this place is better than reddit was, even if it never becomes that big. It's the content and the community what makes it good for me, not the ammount of users.
Oh, I didn't mean to imply that Lemmy is getting bugger than Reddit. I just wanted to point out that Reddit is bleeding a lot of users. And judging by how Reddit's post quality has dropped, it's bleeding the best ones.
To emphasize this discrepancy, based on these numbers, if one tenth of one percent of reddit's monthly active users switched to lemmy, that would represent more than 600% growth in the lemmy userbase. So yeah. Sharp growth here isn't necessarily a sharp decline there.
But if the tiny minority that leaves is the same group that's willing to spend dozens of hours a week for free keeping the site free of spam and hate and keeping forums on topic, that has a pretty outsized impact on the quality of the site moving forward. So the small number isn't to say that reddit wasn't hurt by the exodus. It's just to say that lemmy growth numbers aren't a good indicator of that impact.
the thing is we need to hit the critical mass where there's enough posts and comments that it's not dead and there's a reason to come back at least daily. I'd say lemmy just hit that point for me very recently and I imagine that if I still had a reddit account I'd be 50/50. I expect exponential growth from here on out, with more users enabling more people to want to join and that further enhances the system
Stop pushing, the server gonna explode 💀
I'd rather we did not complete, thanks. I don't want 450 million people running riot posting right wing extremist crap.
We lost like 15k active users (of not even 140k) over the last couple weeks alone. I wouldn't call that steeply grown...
Again, I'm not comoparing Lemmy to Reddit. I myself am on Kbin.
Same. And those are the combined Lemmy & kbin numbers.
Why are you trying so hard to miss my point? Either that or I really suck at communication.
You are. I literally counter argue your point that Reddit "lost". It's not mortally wounded either. A tiny portion moved away to something like the various fediverse platforms, a large portion of that already left again and is likely back on Reddit, if they even fully left in the first place. So please stop the mental gymnastics.
It's not mental gymnastics, but fine. I won't beleaguer the point. What about the rest of my comment?
Spez used a monkey paw, reddit's gonna last forever just getting more and more useless.
They've grown considerably, because previously there was almost nothing.
If the posts here are any indication, these users never stopped going to Reddit anyway.
Meanwhile the number of users these platforms have gained is barely a drop in the bucket compared to the (likely) millions of new users that just moved over to their first-party app for further exploitation for data-mining and ads.
Be that as it may, the quality of Reddit's content has dropped significantly. The people who left were the heart and soul of the platform. And the ones who didn't leave are still pissed. Bluntly, the site's gone to shit. It will not recover.
Will it shut down? Probably not, but that's why I said "in every way that matters". Digg hasn't shut down either, even after all these years, but it has become completely irrelevant. Just give Reddit time to bleed out and it will be the same.