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What's hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and 'nobody knew'. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.
I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.
What's hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and 'nobody knew'. US intelligence agencies lose huge credibility.
No one has made that claim except you.
Eh, I've seen a bunch of "Trump is our first criminal president" memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.
But he's not the first President to pay out hush money. He's not the first President to abuse his campaign war chest. He's certainly not the first President to cheat on his wife. Trump is simply the first person who has won the presidency and been so poorly politically connected that he's endured a full
federalfelony prosecution. That says much more about the role of the criminal justice system than the conduct of any given president.In a sane and just world, I'm hard pressed to name a President who shouldn't have been thrown behind bars at some point.
he's endured a full federal prosecution
If you're going simp for the tangerine Mussolini, at least get your facts straight: this was a STATE prosecution.
Excuse me, felony prosecution.
And when you consider how many federal indictments have staled out or been dismissed, you begin to see the scope of the problem. The Biden DOJ is toothless in the face of a mafia kingpin. You need the state courts to step in precisely because the federal courts are so stacked in favor of protecting political elites.
It's so unfair! If history didn't convict all previous criminal leaders, we can't start now!
We can and we should.
Hell, Jimmy Carter is still alive. We can put him on trial for Operation Cyclone.
I really hope the sarcasm came across.
Eh, I’ve seen a bunch of “Trump is our first criminal president” memes. Which really requires you to blind yourself to everyone from Nixon and his wiretapping to Obama and his extrajudicial drone-striking.
No it doesn't because Donald is the first proven convicted felon in a court of law. That's just a fact. The rest is basically a Two-Wrongs-Make-a-Right / Tu Quoque / Whataboutism argument that suggests a race-to-the-bottom mindset while people speculate over allegations of former Presidents without actually testing those theories in a court of law and in front of a Jury. We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls and even the President is no longer above the law — regardless of past actions of Presidents; clearly a new standard has been made now which is a great thing for our country.
Donald is the first proven convicted felon
Only because none of the other assholes got prosecuted.
That's a flaw in the Good Ole Boy Network of ex-Presidents, where Obama and Bush Jr can have a beer over illegal drone strikes and wiretaps together. It has nothing to do with which Presidents actually committed crimes.
We should be gleeful that Lady Justice has grabbed Don by the balls
Let me know if he serves any prison time. We already learned how Trump skates around financial judgement against him.
Past that, it should be revealing how easy it is to convict these assholes. All 34 counts stuck. Maybe more Presidents should be put on trial, rather than making this particular screwball fascist an exception to the rule.
What’s hard to believe here, chud? Donald Trump was a criminal long before his political career. If a country is dumb enough to elect a criminal as president, what are the odds that criminal will continue doing crime in office? You understand Donald Trump isn’t a normal guy, right? He’s the head of a crime family. Now back to /pol with you.
This set of felonies was done during the campaign tho. This was a portion of the election fraud he did in 2016.
I personnally think the trend is to dismiss crimes until someone is finally convicted. Then the dismiss abrubtly ends and prosecution succees fully. Either 0% guilty or 100%.
That is how "innocent until proven guilty" is supposed to work.
What's hard to believe is none of the previous presidents committed any single crime, while this one committed at least 64 and 'nobody knew'.
Previous presidents have committed crimes (Clinton committed perjury, Grant was arrested three times, Nixon was part of a criminal conspiracy) but none were convicted of a felony before now. And everybody knew about Trump's crimes, his accomplice was already convicted and served his sentence.
Grant was ticketed for speeding three times, two of which were during The Civil War. Not arrested. The last one was in 1872 during his presidency, and he cited section 1983 of the federal code that had just been passed in 1871, that even a sitting president is not above the law.
I stand corrected. Thank you for the added details.
No worries, I just happen to know about that because it came to my attention last year that section 1983, as Congress passed the law, but not as was "copied" into the Federal Register, explicitly outlaws Qualified Immunity.
Here's the entrance to that rabbit hole:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/15/us/politics/qualified-immunity-supreme-court.html