Breaking: Trump Verdict Livethread
Breaking: Trump Verdict Livethread
Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.
Developing.
Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.
Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?
Judge has now called for the jury.
Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.
Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.
Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.
Jury HAS reached a verdict. 11 hours, 43 minutes.
Developing.
Analysis is saying the jury using the word "verdict" indicates this is not a hung jury.
Jury has asked for more time to fill out paperwork, which makes sense, 34 counts x 12 jurors, 408 line items?
Judge has now called for the jury.
Detail on each count here, 3 basic categories:
https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts
Trump was charged with falsifying business records in the first degree.
Invoices for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Checks paid for legal services
Guilty on 11 of 11 charges
Ledger entries for legal expenses
Guilty on 12 of 12 charges
No bail, sentencing on July 11th, 4 days before the Republican convention.
Defense has until 6/13 to file motions, prosecution has until 6/27 to respond.
Trump is responding predictably. Attacking the judge and the whole process.
If you're trying to keep track of where we're at in the Trump prosecutions:
Updated 05/30/2024
New York
34 state felonies
Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest
Trial
Conviction <- You Are Here Guilty, all 34 counts.
Sentencing - July 11, 2024
Washington, D.C.
4 federal felonies
January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - The trial, originally scheduled for March 4th, has been placed on hold pending the Supreme Court ruling on Presidential Immunity. They are due to hear those arguments on April 25th.
Conviction
Sentencing
Florida
40 federal felonies
Top Secret Documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - Postponed Indefinitely
Conviction
Sentencing
Georgia
10 state felonies
Election Interference
As of 3/13/24 - Judge McAfee cleared 6 charges, 3 against Trump, saying they were too generic to be enforced.
As of 3/15/24 - The case may proceed, but either Fulton County DA, Fani Willis and her office or Special Prosecutor Nathan Wade must remove themselves due to the appearance of impropriety.
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
All 19 defendants have surrendered.
Trial - A trial date of Aug. 5, 2024 has been requested, not approved yet.
Three defendants, Kenneth Chesebro, Sidney Powell, and bail bondsman Scott Hall, have all pled guilty and have agreed to testify in other cases.
Conviction
Sentencing
Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, or the Arizona fake electors, have not been announced.
The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it's a civil case and not a crimimal one. He was found liable in that case for $83.3 million.
There had been multiple cases in multiple states to remove Trump from the ballot, citing ineligibility under the 14th amendment.
The Supreme Court ruled on March 4th that states do not have the ability to determine eligibility in Federal elections.
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Might be wishful thinking or stale in 15-30 minutes but I think they at least get him on the checks. I imagine we'll all be very disappointed if/when sentencing occurs though.
Edit: Welp, call me pleasantly surprised. Get fucked!
My prediction on sentencing is that he gets x number of 4 year terms to be served concurrently, then spends 10 years fighting it in court.
My secret wish is to see him get a form of community service that is supremely humiliating to someone like him. Show his distaste for actual work, undercut the persecution narrative by going "soft", and kill his campaign. Honestly though, this one is going to need a good judge. It's hard to be dispassionate when sentencing, especially in this context. Merchan seems alright, I think he'll be fair, even if I hate it because the bastard doesn't deserve anything but what he's given out.
Hoping for 40 hours of community service working in a soup kitchen.
He needs some exercise, it'll be good for him. Send him out to pick up trash in a disadvantaged neighborhood.
Scene: Trump in prison strips, picking up garbage in Harlem while surrounded by 40 secret service and hundreds of local residents laughing at him.
spends 10 years fighting it
How do I say I hope he doesn't have that long left without getting myself banned?
"Spends the rest of his life fighting it..."
He might run out the clock.
I'm hoping the judge puts him in jail for a month on all those contempt citations.
Wishful thinking I know
No way his sentence is that high. He is a first time offender, and people caught on these types of charges typically get probation.
I think a few years' probation is appropriate, then he will have to campaign (and maybe even be President) while having to report to some probation officer in NYC the whole time. He might force the issue by deliberately skipping out on his meetings and double dare the judge to throw him in jail.
Cohen was a first timer and got 3 years for the same crime.
TIL Election Interference is a small crime according to @dhork@lemmy.world.
What, are we supposed to care about campaign finance laws in the USA or something?
None of those charges were election interference, though. They were about lying about payments to cover stuff up.
Yes, but when those payments were to another party than the candidate to provide a non-monetary service to the campaign (burying news that could affect people’s actions) what’s called an in-kind contribution. If you don’t report those benefits publicly (or you try to disguise them as something else like legal fees for example), congratulations you broke election laws and interfered with the lawful election process.
Yes “Election Interference” is a specific term of art related to the conduct of the actual election and electioneering, but it can also be understood more broadly by laypersons as anything that interferes with the legal conduct of a wider election/campaign event.
Yes, everything you wrote is true, but does not change the fact that none of these 34 charges dealt with election interference directly. That will have to be done separately. I think this verdict is making that other prosecutor very happy, though, if his Jan 6 case ever goes to trial.
I happened to go to my local paper's website and saw that the jury was coming in.
Didn't want to watch all the talking head BS, but texted a freind to let her know.
I think there was 15 minutes of suspense between hearing they were in and getting the news.
Glad it wasn't longer, I'd have plotzed.
Definitely got that election night feeling in my gut. Hate this, I'm not ready for November.
I feel like living through the Trump Era has definitely been a strain on my health, and not just because of Covid.
From 2016 until around the middle of 2019 I found myself saying "this is unbelievable" pretty much every day.
I found myself saying “this is unbelievable” pretty much every day.
That was me in Venezuela from 1999 til 2010 more or less. After that, all hope was lost.
American people, don't do like Venezuela. Go out and vote!!