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There is no good reason to kill. Only bad excuses
Sounds like someone who's never been in a self defense situation.
Luckily 100% of the people i know are in this situation and the society around me push the general idea that killing is always wrong no matter what. And it works.
Then yes, condition may change in third world countries
Alright?
Sounds like an argument I wouldn't win, no matter how valid arguments i present, so I won't bother
Well thats rather defeatist. Also I wasn't tryna start an argument breh. If you wanna have a conversation we can do that.
But... but... someone is WRONG on the INTERNET.. are you just gonna let that slide?
/s obviously
Why do you think I'm wrong?
I don't. I was referring to the other guys willingness to simply not engage in a discussion stemming from disagreements. Not every opinion different from ones own requires a response. Not every discussion needs to be an argument.
Fair enough. I wasn't tryna argue with the guy. Just have a discussion. I think its a shame he jumped to "I can't win".
IRL when you are in a self defence situation, you are already laying on the floor bleeding profusely and/or knocked out, I'm talking from personal experience, most of the time you get sucker punched or/and jumped on or/and punched in the back of the head or/and assaulters have weapons, so unless you're heavily trained, when self defence situation happens you're not gonna protect yourself, as Mike Tyson said, everyone have a plan before they got punched in the mouth, so unless you can act on trained "instincts" you gonna get stomped on the head
I have taken Mike's advice into every fight I've been in. No amount of armchair training can prepare you for when your adrenaline really hits.
Absolutely this, however, doing drills and sparrings is necessary so your body know how to move without your mind, i mean, completely untrained people just flailing and doing haymakers while those who doing drills at least can throw some straights and jabs and clinch and double leg takedown and some throws, at least i can do this automatically without thinking
Some personal experience: I've trained a little, I'm not a professional fighter. All my very few fights have been street fights. I've been trained how to takedown but I can't find enough thought to actually do it fight. The absolute best thinking I've ever done in a fight was remembering my boxing hits and even that was more of a flash than a rational thought. Honestly the thought "RUN!" comes up more often in a fight for me than anything actually useful to fight.
Yes) this! You train for exact that flash of memories when your body do the job without mind intact, body just by reflexes should act on self defence, because everyone's mind screaming to run and muscles are becoming like jelly when time to fight comes, i mean every country trains their professional soldiers exactly for this, so their body would work/fight properly without mind intact. P.S to do simple one leg takedown, you should just grab one leg, step behind other leg of your opponent, and stand up/push forward, however beware of chokeholds and place your head in center of the stomach of opponent, not in his side ribs so opponent couldn't do chokehold
I believe the point of their argument is killing is ok if your in a life or death self defense situation.
Whether you are actually able to defend yourself is irrelevant for that point to be true.
My point is, in most self defence situations is kill or be killed, better run if you can of course, but that's if you can do it at all, basically it's not you who decides what to do in most of self defence situations, but situation you're in
Oh you're certainly correct. Self defense training should be mandatory IMO. Both with and without weapons.
My point was that a life or death situation changes the "there's no good reason to kill" argument.
And i agree with you too)